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[Denthúl]

I heard Brundle and Allen mention this, but in all the excitement I forgot about it. Having watched that clip of the start on You Tube, it seems clear to me that Alonso cut the chicane to pass Hamilton. Just before the camera switches on 12 seconds, you can see Alonso was just under half a car length behind Button and made no attempt to allow him to re-pass. Alonso drove brilliantly all weekend, but rules are rules, I'm afraid. A penalty should have been given. It also shows to me what a snake Alonso can be. He was preaching how wrong Hamilton was in Belgium and what he should have done instead, only to do something much worse a month later. Another oddity this weekend was why Massa was penalised for an unsafe release form his box in the pits when he was not penalised for the same offence in Valencia. The penalty Massa received today when he was no longer in the action was just, but I'm miffed as to why he was not penalised last time. This goes for other teams and drivers who have got away with this in the past.

Actually, if you watch it a few more times, you'll find that Button was the only driver who you don't see re-pass Alonso. In addition, I have never known any driver to be penalised for cutting the first corner given the huge safety implications. Maybe that should change, but I do think that safety is a huge matter. If you watch him rejoin the track, he's going slower than the other cars as he comes across the chicane to rejoin. Not saying he's right or wrong, but he doesn't just fly across and that's it.

As for the Massa incident, given the need for consistency across the season, he should not have been penalised because the precedent has been set all season long, but in the name of safety it was fair.

[McLaren Fan]

Alonso looked a bit slower than the rest, granted, but he still has not given up the place he gained.

[EwanM]

Alonso looked a bit slower than the rest, granted, but he still has not given up the place he gained.

Thing is though it is controversial, im sure nobody would be complaining if their team had got away with it.
Im sure everyone would rather have an exciting race than a first corner crash taking out the while field.

[stonemonkey]

Just a thought but Alonso pitted very early then just after that and just as it was coming to the normal pit stop window Piquet (his team mate) crashes out bringing out the safety car playing right into Alonsos hand. Would a team deliberately plan something like that?

[McLaren Fan]

Alonso looked a bit slower than the rest, granted, but he still has not given up the place he gained.

Thing is though it is controversial, im sure nobody would be complaining if their team had got away with it.
Im sure everyone would rather have an exciting race than a first corner crash taking out the while field.

Well, in Alonso's own words, you have to keep calm, not try anything silly, and, if you make a mistake, give the other guy back his position and try to get past him on the corner.

Don't get me wrong, a drive-through penalty would have been too harsh, and the sport doesn't need yet more controversy, particularly over an incident which won't have much bearing on the title, but, strictly speaking, the FIA should have remained consistent with their ruling, and we'll know for certain not to listen to Alonso on matters of a drivers' on-track conduct ever again.

[EwanM]

Alonso looked a bit slower than the rest, granted, but he still has not given up the place he gained.

Thing is though it is controversial, im sure nobody would be complaining if their team had got away with it.
Im sure everyone would rather have an exciting race than a first corner crash taking out the while field.

Well, in Alonso's own words, you have to keep calm, not try anything silly, and, if you make a mistake, give the other guy back his position and try to get past him on the corner.

Don't get me wrong, a drive-through penalty would have been too harsh, and the sport doesn't need yet more controversy, particularly over an incident which won't have much bearing on the title, but, strictly speaking, the FIA should have remained consistent with their ruling, and we'll know for certain not to listen to Alonso on matters of a drivers' on-track conduct ever again.

I think most of you stopped listening along time ago anyways so you know.

[McLaren Fan]

True.

[EwanM]

True.

Even I switch off sometimes. And im like one of the few who tune in lol.

[EwanM]

In all truth tho Chris. Alonso wasn't the only driver to criticise the Spa scenario and probably not the only driver who would do the exact same thing if given the chance.

[McLaren Fan]

In all truth tho Chris. Alonso wasn't the only driver to criticise the Spa scenario and probably not the only driver who would do the exact same thing if given the chance.

That's true also. It just shows how meaningless their remarks were and how they let their personal views get in the way of the truth. How Massa can claim the penalty Hamilton received was fair is really, really poor sportsmanship.

[EwanM]

In all truth tho Chris. Alonso wasn't the only driver to criticise the Spa scenario and probably not the only driver who would do the exact same thing if given the chance.

That's true also. It just shows how meaningless their remarks were and how they let their personal views get in the way of the truth. How Massa can claim the penalty Hamilton received was fair is really, really poor sportsmanship.

Arrogance, money and all the wrong people around you can make you say silly things you don't mean.
I often feel that is the root cause for a lot of things Lewis says. But they will all suffer from it in certain ways.
Unless you're Vettel.

[racechick]

Ive just watched it again on the replay. Its woirse than what Lewis did. He gets lots of places! I dont think either should have been penalised but if one did the other should. Otherwoise the FIA might as well make up the rules as they go along! Hang on....They do!!

[EwanM]

Ive just watched it again on the replay. Its woirse than what Lewis did. He gets lots of places! I dont think either should have been penalised but if one did the other should. Otherwoise the FIA might as well make up the rules as they go along! Hang on....They do!!

Come on now, I've seen it to. He gains a place over Button (yes bad) but Button gets over taken by 2 cars as Alonso comes on slow. Alonso loses a few places to other cars.

It was wrong.

And it isn't worse than what Lewis did, because I don't feel that Hamilton or Alonso have done anything particularly Terrible. Not forgetting Heidfeld as well.
There aint any point in arguing about this. We all know what happened the past week with people, tensions aren't needed.

[racechick]

I know theres no point arguing it. When I said it was worse than Lewis', I meant because Alonso took more than one place and didnt give them back. I know theres no point debating it ,its done now.

[EwanM]

I know theres no point arguing it. When I said it was worse than Lewis', I meant because Alonso took more than one place and didnt give them back. I know theres no point debating it ,its done now.

Good to see we can all be friendly again on here

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