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[Gaz]

but lets say there was one of your traps or walls there we wouldnt be having this argument nooooo, thats because Kimi and Lewis would have gone crash crash

We'd be having another argument, for Hamilton would have got penalised for causing an avoidable collision, despite having to swerve to avoid Raikkonen braking so early.

All you McLaren supporters are so up yourselves. Get over it. It happened and now move on. I bet if something like this happened to Ferrari, you would all be singling and dancing............................I guess it was all ok when McLaren and other British teams dominated the late 80s and all of the 90s virtually and Ferrari won nothing for 21 years. Sometimes we lost in controversial circumstances. Take when Senna took Prost out in 1990, the incident that lead to Schumacher trying to take Villenouve out in 1997 and Schumacher breaking his leg in 1999. But you don't see us sooking. But no, now that Ferrari and Renault have won all in the last 10 years, you guys have to have a sook. Well get over it and accept. Now you know how we felt prior the year 2000.

What are you blathering about now? Your examples have no relevance to all to what we are discussing. McLaren and Williams winning everything in sight throughout the 1980s and '90s has got nothing to do with Ferrari getting favours from the FIA.

Senna took Prost out on purpose on the first corner in Suzuka 1990 and he admitted it. Had this happened today, Senna would of been disqualified and Prost - Ferrari World Champion. There is one cross to Ferrari and one tick to McLaren. Estroil 1997, Schumacher leads and is on his way to being world champion. Williams and McLaren get together and tell Hakkinen who is a lap down to slow down Schumacher. Schumi loses so much time tha by the time he passes, his tyres are stuffed and Villenouve makes ground on him. Schumi then decides to take matters into his own hands (bad mistake) and take Villenouve out on that corner. I guess there is a tick to Williams and a cross to Ferrari. 2 titles taken from Ferrari. Oh well we accepted it, you won. Now it is our turn. We dominate, we get revenge, we win. The British teams can't take it (Even though it hasn't even been 10 years yet since a British team last won) so now that Ferrari is still better and still winning, McLaren and their supporters have to b1tch about everything. Stuff you, get over it. We, Ferrari will win again this year. Now you know how it feels. Revenge is sweet! Get over yourself McLaren Fan. You and your type are not innocent little victims as you pretend to be. Don't worry I know, I wasn't born yesterday. The real truth hurts doesn't it.

1. What about when Schumacher took Hill out? or does this not count since he was not driving for Ferrari then?
2. You talk about Williams and Mclaren helping each other out, well Max came out and said there was no arrangment to fix the result of the race and he does not like Ron so think about that?
3. During the same 1997 European GP Tolt went to Sauber and said Sauber must block Villeneuve if they could (Sauber were using Ferrari engines at the time)

And on top of all that you talk about Mclaren fan's Bitching but really thats all you are doing is it not?

[bud]

AKR STFU would you tired of your s***

Yet another emotional outburst with no point whatsoever. It is one thing to have an opinion and defend it vigorously, but this kid just uses this forum as his own personal Jerry Springer show. Is the above what this forum is all about?

Bill how long you been here mate? Learn your place...... Kid........ ooooooh i feel so big calling you a kid! ya w***er!!

AKR has the same stupid bullpoo all the time Ferrari deserve to be champion, Ferrari are the greatest and only team that count baaa baaaaa baaaaa! My post says all that needed to be said and maybe you should take note of one part of it before you open your gob!

[cornishrobb]

Hi Guys, I'm very new to this Forum so I spos I'm BABY!!!
but anyway, the banter is great here, I'm still not sure who's for who
me, I'm for the driver, british preferably (spelling not good either, never mind), even if they do come last
I do like all forms of motor racing, but as I don't run ITV we only have it once a fortnight, that's F1 init
I'm not sure I do like the inuendos that are flying around, I don't think Ferrari are that good, they have got the money to do anything
and realy that's not fare, they should all have the same as the steaks are high, it's a great privilage to be WORLD No 1 and in F1 racing
it is world.
One never gets the complete story either, do they, we can rant but what's been said behind closed doors? things we never hear
I still don't like Ferrari dominance, like the Shue years, I went right off F1 and I think others did also, I like to see all on a leaval playing field
it will never happen, cos of MONEY, Burny needs a new car!!!
I never got payed in the 70's, I did it for the feeling of competing, when you win, It's a great feeling, no money but it felt good
just a paper cup and a pat on the back, but I won, now home and repair the car !!!!!!!! out of my pocket
Anyway, this site if good fun and I'd love to chat a learn even more about F1, there's always more to learn

ROBB

[McLaren Fan]

Senna took Prost out on purpose on the first corner in Suzuka 1990 and he admitted it. Had this happened today, Senna would of been disqualified and Prost - Ferrari World Champion. There is one cross to Ferrari and one tick to McLaren.

How many times are we going to needlessly go over this, AKR. Senna took Prost off because Prost did the same thing to him in 1989. Senna did not admit that he rammed Prost off the track until a year after it happened. By that stage, nothing could be done because it was far too long after the event and part of the reason why Mosley was elected President of FISA was because he felt Senna was hard-done-by by Balestre.

2. You talk about Williams and Mclaren helping each other out, well Max came out and said there was no arrangment to fix the result of the race and he does not like Ron so think about that?
3. During the same 1997 European GP Tolt went to Sauber and said Sauber must block Villeneuve if they could (Sauber were using Ferrari engines at the time).

Correct. There was no agreement between McLaren and Williams whatsoever. Even the FIA were forced to admit this after McLaren and Williams ganged up against the signing of the new Concorde Agreement. What actually happened is that McLaren agreed to stay well out of the title fight, in other words, they not get in the way of either Williams or Ferrari. It is also true that Sauber agreed to block Villeneuve.

So, get your facts right and get off your high horse, AKR.

[8-ball]

AKR STFU would you tired of your s***

Yet another emotional outburst with no point whatsoever. It is one thing to have an opinion and defend it vigorously, but this kid just uses this forum as his own personal Jerry Springer show. Is the above what this forum is all about?

Bill how long you been here mate? Learn your place...... Kid........ ooooooh i feel so big calling you a kid! ya w***er!!

AKR has the same stupid bullpoo all the time Ferrari deserve to be champion, Ferrari are the greatest and only team that count baaa baaaaa baaaaa! My post says all that needed to be said and maybe you should take note of one part of it before you open your gob!

I am pretty sure AKR says these things just to wind you up bud and you take the bait. I have been here long enough and have seen many times

[AKR]

AKR STFU would you tired of your s***

Yet another emotional outburst with no point whatsoever. It is one thing to have an opinion and defend it vigorously, but this kid just uses this forum as his own personal Jerry Springer show. Is the above what this forum is all about?

It is a HER you knucklehead! And I guess it is all ok for you all to complain when Ferrari gets away with alleged cheating, but when McLaren or anyone else does it or has done it, then no it isn't true. Yeah right and pigs fly too.

[AKR]

AKR STFU would you tired of your s***

Yet another emotional outburst with no point whatsoever. It is one thing to have an opinion and defend it vigorously, but this kid just uses this forum as his own personal Jerry Springer show. Is the above what this forum is all about?

Bill how long you been here mate? Learn your place...... Kid........ ooooooh i feel so big calling you a kid! ya w***er!!

AKR has the same stupid bullpoo all the time Ferrari deserve to be champion, Ferrari are the greatest and only team that count baaa baaaaa baaaaa! My post says all that needed to be said and maybe you should take note of one part of it before you open your gob!

I get the feeling you are actually sticking up for me there Bud. Ok then I guess I need to be nice to you for at least until the end of the Singaprian GP. Done deal and thanks.

[AKR]

How many times are we going to needlessly go over this, AKR. Senna took Prost off because Prost did the same thing to him in 1989. Senna did not admit that he rammed Prost off the track until a year after it happened. By that stage, nothing could be done because it was far too long after the event and part of the reason why Mosley was elected President of FISA was because he felt Senna was hard-done-by by Balestre.

Yeah but what you always forget is that when Prost did it to Senna in 1988, McLaren didn't lose out as both drivers were McLaren drivers and McLaren won regardless. This wasn't the case in 1990 and because of it, and Senna's revenge on Prost, Ferrari got shafted. But when I say this was all ok and we shut up and didn't complain simply because of the bigger story, that is the Prost/Senna saga of the time, when McLaren gets shafted 20 years later by Ferrari for whatever the reason, you guys have a cry. You miss my point.

Correct. There was no agreement between McLaren and Williams whatsoever. Even the FIA were forced to admit this after McLaren and Williams ganged up against the signing of the new Concorde Agreement. What actually happened is that McLaren agreed to stay well out of the title fight, in other words, they not get in the way of either Williams or Ferrari. It is also true that Sauber agreed to block Villeneuve.

So, get your facts right and get off your high horse, AKR.

I guess there is no proof that there was an agreement. Again I am not complaining that "we" should of won. I accept defeat. You should as well in most recent events, instead of blaming Ferrari for every contraversial move the FIA makes. And where is the evidence Sauber agreed to block Ferrari? It may be true I don't doubt it. I am open to this unlike yourself who only chooses to accept that McLaren can never do any wrong. Yes maybe Sauber did agree to this just as McLaren may have agreed to a similar thing with Williams. There is no evidence of either happening. But of course anything that is regarding Ferrari cheating is real for you and anything regarding McLaren for the same thing is false. Your constant defence of McLaren as innocent is tiring and pure biased.

[bud]

Kiki id drink you under the table your round

[AKR]

Kiki id drink you under the table your round

Done. Here is my round to you, under the table of course.

[Gaz]

How many times are we going to needlessly go over this, AKR. Senna took Prost off because Prost did the same thing to him in 1989. Senna did not admit that he rammed Prost off the track until a year after it happened. By that stage, nothing could be done because it was far too long after the event and part of the reason why Mosley was elected President of FISA was because he felt Senna was hard-done-by by Balestre.

Yeah but what you always forget is that when Prost did it to Senna in 1988, McLaren didn't lose out as both drivers were McLaren drivers and McLaren won regardless. This wasn't the case in 1990 and because of it, and Senna's revenge on Prost, Ferrari got shafted. But when I say this was all ok and we shut up and didn't complain simply because of the bigger story, that is the Prost/Senna saga of the time, when McLaren gets shafted 20 years later by Ferrari for whatever the reason, you guys have a cry. You miss my point.

Correct. There was no agreement between McLaren and Williams whatsoever. Even the FIA were forced to admit this after McLaren and Williams ganged up against the signing of the new Concorde Agreement. What actually happened is that McLaren agreed to stay well out of the title fight, in other words, they not get in the way of either Williams or Ferrari. It is also true that Sauber agreed to block Villeneuve.

So, get your facts right and get off your high horse, AKR.

I guess there is no proof that there was an agreement. Again I am not complaining that "we" should of won. I accept defeat. You should as well in most recent events, instead of blaming Ferrari for every contraversial move the FIA makes. And where is the evidence Sauber agreed to block Ferrari? It may be true I don't doubt it. I am open to this unlike yourself who only chooses to accept that McLaren can never do any wrong. Yes maybe Sauber did agree to this just as McLaren may have agreed to a similar thing with Williams. There is no evidence of either happening. But of course anything that is regarding Ferrari cheating is real for you and anything regarding McLaren for the same thing is false. Your constant defence of McLaren as innocent is tiring and pure biased.

I don't think i've seen anyone blame Ferrari for decision the FIA makes, i've seen people have ago at the FIA for being biased towards Ferrari.

Regarding the sauber point, your looking at it from the wrong angle the point is Sauber were using ferrari engine's so the question you need to ask is did Toldt go to Sauber and tell them they must help Ferrari by blocking williams?

I'm not Saying Ferrari did this what i am saying is really Ferrari and Mclaren can be as bad as each other in their drive to win.

[juggles]

Senna took Prost out on purpose on the first corner in Suzuka 1990 and he admitted it. Had this happened today, Senna would of been disqualified and Prost - Ferrari World Champion. There is one cross to Ferrari and one tick to McLaren.

How many times are we going to needlessly go over this, AKR. Senna took Prost off because Prost did the same thing to him in 1989. Senna did not admit that he rammed Prost off the track until a year after it happened. By that stage, nothing could be done because it was far too long after the event and part of the reason why Mosley was elected President of FISA was because he felt Senna was hard-done-by by Balestre.

Wasn't there another factor, that Senna had asked for pole position to be changed to the grippier outside of the track and Balestre agreed, only to do nothing and keep pole on the inside. So Senna swore he wouldn't get passed around the first corner whatever happened, and stuck to his word. I thought that was what fuelled his 'politicians making stupid decisions' speech a year later. Even more reason for him to do what he did

[McLaren Fan]

Yeah but what you always forget is that when Prost did it to Senna in 1988, McLaren didn't lose out as both drivers were McLaren drivers and McLaren won regardless. This wasn't the case in 1990 and because of it, and Senna's revenge on Prost, Ferrari got shafted. But when I say this was all ok and we shut up and didn't complain simply because of the bigger story...

That's not true, I'm afraid. The tifosi went mad about what happened in 1990, so take your sanctimonious trash elsewhere.

[McLaren Fan]

Senna took Prost out on purpose on the first corner in Suzuka 1990 and he admitted it. Had this happened today, Senna would of been disqualified and Prost - Ferrari World Champion. There is one cross to Ferrari and one tick to McLaren.

How many times are we going to needlessly go over this, AKR. Senna took Prost off because Prost did the same thing to him in 1989. Senna did not admit that he rammed Prost off the track until a year after it happened. By that stage, nothing could be done because it was far too long after the event and part of the reason why Mosley was elected President of FISA was because he felt Senna was hard-done-by by Balestre.

Wasn't there another factor, that Senna had asked for pole position to be changed to the grippier outside of the track and Balestre agreed, only to do nothing and keep pole on the inside. So Senna swore he wouldn't get passed around the first corner whatever happened, and stuck to his word. I thought that was what fuelled his 'politicians making stupid decisions' speech a year later. Even more reason for him to do what he did

Yes, that was the reason why Senna took off Prost, although a little bit of vengeance was in there. AKR has got my head turned. This incident has been discussed time and time again, but she won't accept what happened. She's brainwashed and obsessed.

[racechick]

Senna took Prost out on purpose on the first corner in Suzuka 1990 and he admitted it. Had this happened today, Senna would of been disqualified and Prost - Ferrari World Champion. There is one cross to Ferrari and one tick to McLaren.

How many times are we going to needlessly go over this, AKR. Senna took Prost off because Prost did the same thing to him in 1989. Senna did not admit that he rammed Prost off the track until a year after it happened. By that stage, nothing could be done because it was far too long after the event and part of the reason why Mosley was elected President of FISA was because he felt Senna was hard-done-by by Balestre.

Wasn't there another factor, that Senna had asked for pole position to be changed to the grippier outside of the track and Balestre agreed, only to do nothing and keep pole on the inside. So Senna swore he wouldn't get passed around the first corner whatever happened, and stuck to his word. I thought that was what fuelled his 'politicians making stupid decisions' speech a year later. Even more reason for him to do what he did

Thats the way I understood it happenned.