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[Jensonb]

In fact, multiple tyre suppliers helps the cost-cutting initiative - competition breeds lower prices.

lower prices for who? tell that to the tyre suppliers who would spend shitloads trying to outclass each other!

...The teams...Who else would I have meant?

Uh no, the teams would spend millions on testing all the new compounds the tire manufacturers come up with.

Uh, no, they do that anyway.

[darwin dali]

In fact, multiple tyre suppliers helps the cost-cutting initiative - competition breeds lower prices.

lower prices for who? tell that to the tyre suppliers who would spend shitloads trying to outclass each other!

...The teams...Who else would I have meant?

Uh no, the teams would spend millions on testing all the new compounds the tire manufacturers come up with.

Uh, no, they do that anyway.

Nope, they don't do that anymore, at least not to the extend that was required when Michelin and Bridgestone came out with new compounds for every other race. Have you not followed F1 for the past couple of years? Remember that they have a yearly test miles limit now? That was only possible BECAUSE they don't have to test the tires as extensively anymore.

[Jensonb]

In fact, multiple tyre suppliers helps the cost-cutting initiative - competition breeds lower prices.

lower prices for who? tell that to the tyre suppliers who would spend shitloads trying to outclass each other!

...The teams...Who else would I have meant?

Uh no, the teams would spend millions on testing all the new compounds the tire manufacturers come up with.

Uh, no, they do that anyway.

Nope, they don't do that anymore, at least not to the extend that was required when Michelin and Bridgestone came out with new compounds for every other race. Have you not followed F1 for the past couple of years? Remember that they have a yearly test miles limit now? That was only possible BECAUSE they don't have to test the tires as extensively anymore.

They didn't need to before either, they just did. Besides which, they just shifted the burden of tyre evaluation to off-season testing.

[darwin dali]

In fact, multiple tyre suppliers helps the cost-cutting initiative - competition breeds lower prices.

lower prices for who? tell that to the tyre suppliers who would spend shitloads trying to outclass each other!

...The teams...Who else would I have meant?

Uh no, the teams would spend millions on testing all the new compounds the tire manufacturers come up with.

Uh, no, they do that anyway.

Nope, they don't do that anymore, at least not to the extend that was required when Michelin and Bridgestone came out with new compounds for every other race. Have you not followed F1 for the past couple of years? Remember that they have a yearly test miles limit now? That was only possible BECAUSE they don't have to test the tires as extensively anymore.

They didn't need to before either, they just did. Besides which, they just shifted the burden of tyre evaluation to off-season testing.

WTF are you smoking, eh?
They didn't need to? Of course not! But if they didn't they wouldn't win a flower pot
They had to evaluate and test the new compounds and report back to the tire manufacturer so that they could gain an advantage compared to the other manufacturer. And that was throughout the season. Now, with the 4 tire options set for the entire year, they don't have to test new compounds all the time anymore, i.e., they save big bucks on testing.

[cap-dude]

Single tyre supplier means that its less about who has the better equipment, and its down whoes the better driver.
With multiple tyre choices, the winning team, is one whoes tyres work better at the majority of circuits. Besides, tyres aren't that interesting.

[Jensonb]

In fact, multiple tyre suppliers helps the cost-cutting initiative - competition breeds lower prices.

lower prices for who? tell that to the tyre suppliers who would spend shitloads trying to outclass each other!

...The teams...Who else would I have meant?

Uh no, the teams would spend millions on testing all the new compounds the tire manufacturers come up with.

Uh, no, they do that anyway.

Nope, they don't do that anymore, at least not to the extend that was required when Michelin and Bridgestone came out with new compounds for every other race. Have you not followed F1 for the past couple of years? Remember that they have a yearly test miles limit now? That was only possible BECAUSE they don't have to test the tires as extensively anymore.

They didn't need to before either, they just did. Besides which, they just shifted the burden of tyre evaluation to off-season testing.

WTF are you smoking, eh?
They didn't need to? Of course not! But if they didn't they wouldn't win a flower pot
They had to evaluate and test the new compounds and report back to the tire manufacturer so that they could gain an advantage compared to the other manufacturer. And that was throughout the season. Now, with the 4 tire options set for the entire year, they don't have to test new compounds all the time anymore, i.e., they save big bucks on testing.

Which inevitably begs the question, why could you not just do the same thing but allow them to choose who makes those 4 options for them? There would be little need to keep evaluating and developing them through the year.

Besides which, all of this is irrelevant. What I said was lower prices, not costs. Despite your protestations to the contrary, there isn't any particular need for the teams to spend radically more per year (Under normal circumstances) with multiple tyre suppliers than they do now, a net gain for them with the reduced prices charged.

Anyway, I dislike this idea that allowing variables hurts F1. This gets back to the idea of a single-make series. The whole point of F1 is fierce competition of man and machine. I say set guidelines for the tyre and then let any manufacturer that wants to build a tyre to that spec.

[bud]

Jenson youre wrong deal with it

are you suggesting a price war say between Michelin and Bridgestone? will they have catalogues and sale prices 50% off just to try and get the customer over their competitors?

the fact remains F1 wanted a spec tyre to reduce costs. reduce costs not only for the F1 teams but for the tyre supplier.

[deMuRe]

I like the concept of the control tyre, it levels the playing field and gives a better reflection of who's doing a better job.

If a particular driver won simply becuase he had better tyres would annoy me. I want to see the driver/team combination that's done the best job.

[bud]

I like the concept of the control tyre, it levels the playing field and gives a better reflection of who's doing a better job.

If a particular driver won simply becuase he had better tyres would annoy me. I want to see the driver/team combination that's done the best job.

[texasmr2]

Besides, tyres aren't that interesting.

You say that until a quality tire save's your arse from a ditch or wall that a
treaded or grooved tire would not have .

[Martin]

I like the concept of the control tyre, it levels the playing field and gives a better reflection of who's doing a better job.

If a particular driver won simply becuase he had better tyres would annoy me. I want to see the driver/team combination that's done the best job.

On this basis then all teams would have to have the same engine, transmission, braking system etc etc so we are back to A1GP. Choosing the right tyre provider and making your car work with it is just another decision that the team has to make. So many decisions is what makes f1 so special.

[bud]

i like to think the track surface is the same for everyone so should the tyres be! Martin in your view that leads to tyre makes forming relationships to certain teams while keeping other teams in the dark i dont see it as a fair system!

[McLaren Fan]

I like the concept of the control tyre, it levels the playing field and gives a better reflection of who's doing a better job.

If a particular driver won simply becuase he had better tyres would annoy me. I want to see the driver/team combination that's done the best job.

On this basis then all teams would have to have the same engine, transmission, braking system etc etc so we are back to A1GP. Choosing the right tyre provider and making your car work with it is just another decision that the team has to make. So many decisions is what makes f1 so special.

I think that's taking it a bit far. Formula One is a team game, so we want to see drivers and teams (of which the drivers are a part, but you know what I mean; by way of their marketing, management, engineering, strategy etc.) doing battle. Gearboxes etc. are, therefore, either designed and built or chosen by the team, and, as a result, fits perfectly into the team battle. Having different tyre manufacturers takes many things out of the drivers and teams' hands. Unless - and his is extremely unlikely - each team could develop their own tyres in the same way they develop their aerodynamics and improve their gearboxes etc., I don't think having tyre wars in the right way to go.

[Martin]

I like the concept of the control tyre, it levels the playing field and gives a better reflection of who's doing a better job.

If a particular driver won simply becuase he had better tyres would annoy me. I want to see the driver/team combination that's done the best job.

On this basis then all teams would have to have the same engine, transmission, braking system etc etc so we are back to A1GP. Choosing the right tyre provider and making your car work with it is just another decision that the team has to make. So many decisions is what makes f1 so special.

I think that's taking it a bit far. Formula One is a team game, so we want to see drivers and teams (of which the drivers are a part, but you know what I mean; by way of their marketing, management, engineering, strategy etc.) doing battle. Gearboxes etc. are, therefore, either designed and built or chosen by the team, and, as a result, fits perfectly into the team battle. Having different tyre manufacturers takes many things out of the drivers and teams' hands. Unless - and his is extremely unlikely - each team could develop their own tyres in the same way they develop their aerodynamics and improve their gearboxes etc., I don't think having tyre wars in the right way to go.

Why are tyres so different MF? Look at Williams, TR, Force India, Red Bull. They all chose their engine supplier, and maybe, a different engine would make them faster or slower - just like tyre choice. Even most of the bigger teams dont actually design their own engines, sure they have an input but the engines are sometimes made elswhere.
Tyres are just another of the many components that a team uses, they have a choice on all the others, why not tyres?