FORUMula1.com

[bud]

Ron hates unfairness-its why he always has equality in his teams whether one driver is a superstaar, a personal favourite or just a rookie.

So your saying Ron would have turned down the favoritism from the FIA that, supposedly, Ferrari has gotten? I think not and you talk about Ron like you know him personaly why is that? Oh I forgot perception is reality !

favouritism wasnt on offer, Ron is disliked by Max and his boy club because he didnt bend over and take it up the arse like some

[texasmr2]

favouritism wasnt on offer, Ron is disliked by Max and his boy club because he didnt bend over and take it up the arse like some

I agree we have witnessed this firsthand last season, the FIA's bias. I just have an issue with people saying RD is a saint and can or has done no wrong. If the role's were reversed and it was Ferrari who were found guilty of the charge's of having McLaren's 'intellectual property' I would be all over Ferrari's arse but would accept they did wrong and were caught so they must pay the consequence's. I would not be complaining about it a year later and still using it as an excuse.

Max need's to go I agree but to keep rehashing the past and not moving on is kinda sad imho.

This is something we most likely will never agree on and that's ok because if we all agreed on everything all the time that would be very unproductive right and not much fun .

[bud]

who brought up stepneygate here other than you? so whose the sad one?

[texasmr2]

who brought up stepneygate here other than you? so whose the sad one?

Well survey say's it's you mate not I so who once again is the sad one !

As DD mentioned previously

How many threads with this subject are we going to start here?

My answer is none because once again I have said I agree Max has to go but god forbid I rain on the McLaren lamb's parade so guess what?

[Martin]

Thanks for unlocking this one Tex.
The point is folks that this thread was not about who might take over from MM , but about the likely consequences to Ferrari if the next president is not a Ferrari supporter. If the status quo is changed then Ferrari stand to lose a lot of influence over the FIA and, therefore, the sport.
Ferrari will obviously fight hard to keep things as they are, and may well support JT. however, JT is a Ferrari employee and this may not be acceptable to the delegates. we must remember that the FIA is not just about F1.
There are 2 scenarios I think, -
1, Ferrari manage to install another supporter, in which case not much will change, or,
2. the new president will want route and branch reform and will have to fight Ferrari all the way to achieve this.

When Max goes I think that a lot of people in the business may see this as an opportunity to force change within the FIA (that includes people in other racing formats). Could be interesting although much of the maneuvering will probably go on behind the scenes.

[7UpJordan]

How about Pat Symmonds? If any trouble arises he could use his cattle prod*

*Disclaimer - the cattle prod is a myth originating from Symmond's wake up calls to Fisichella during his Renault years

[McLaren Fan]

favouritism wasnt on offer, Ron is disliked by Max and his boy club because he didnt bend over and take it up the arse like some

I agree we have witnessed this firsthand last season, the FIA's bias. I just have an issue with people saying RD is a saint and can or has done no wrong. If the role's were reversed and it was Ferrari who were found guilty of the charge's of having McLaren's 'intellectual property' I would be all over Ferrari's arse but would accept they did wrong and were caught so they must pay the consequence's. I would not be complaining about it a year later and still using it as an excuse.

I find that section of your post odd. You are mixing two very different things, which I don't think gives an accurate reflexion of the picture.

As for the thread in question, I think we've had quite a number of them, as well as having discussed it on various threads. Paul Stoddart, Eddie Jordan, Martin Brundle or Alain Prost for me. As much as I think Ron Dennis would do a good job, I still don't think it would right to allow big names such as he into positions of imperium infinitum. Also, as I've said before as well, the FIA needs restructured so that it is more accountable and that its rules are codified, as well as well as a proper amendments procedure, for what we've got at the moment is a series of gentleman agreements, rules with wishy-washy language, and the President able to do whatever he wants whenever he wants. After the shenanigans I've seen in all my years watching Formula One, something akin to the US Constitution is needed in the sport.

[deMuRe]

Except Ron would play fair. The problem would be with the perception by others.

Your killing me stop it ! Who's to say JT would not play fair compared to RD? Your a McLaren lamb and I'm a Ferrari lamb but even I dont want JT to be the FIA president. I want every team to be held accountable for their wrong doing's no matter if it's my team or another.

Perception is reality

Hey I have been quoted does that mean I'm famous???

Ron hates unfairness-its why he always has equality in his teams whether one driver is a superstaar, a personal favourite or just a rookie. But i agree because of peoples perceptions he couldnt be the replacement.
Todt is less fussed about fairness and has happily reaped the benefir of a corrupt FIA. So there is even more reason for him NOT to be the replacement.

I've never read a more retarded statement in my entire life. Ron was caught cheating at the start of his career AND the end of his career. Ron would throw the FIA into a whole new level of corruption, he is quite possibly the worst choice anybody could fathom.

[darwin dali]

Except Ron would play fair. The problem would be with the perception by others.

Your killing me stop it ! Who's to say JT would not play fair compared to RD? Your a McLaren lamb and I'm a Ferrari lamb but even I dont want JT to be the FIA president. I want every team to be held accountable for their wrong doing's no matter if it's my team or another.

Perception is reality

Hey I have been quoted does that mean I'm famous???

Ron hates unfairness-its why he always has equality in his teams whether one driver is a superstaar, a personal favourite or just a rookie. But i agree because of peoples perceptions he couldnt be the replacement.
Todt is less fussed about fairness and has happily reaped the benefir of a corrupt FIA. So there is even more reason for him NOT to be the replacement.

I've never read a more retarded statement in my entire life. Ron was caught cheating at the start of his career AND the end of his career. Ron would throw the FIA into a whole new level of corruption, he is quite possibly the worst choice anybody could fathom.

Refresh my memory about his indiscretion at the beginning of his career?

[racechick]

Hey ! Youre not allowed to talk about Ron on this thread, otherwise Tex will have a dicky fit and lock it! So sorry Demure, i am not allowed to put you right on your misconceptions about Ron Dennis

[Jensonb]

Why is everything in extremes? Neither Ferrari or McLaren or any of their employees/associates are unadulterated evil. But they're not saints either.

In any case, anyone with strong ties to any team should not be given the job, the impression of a conflict of interest is just as bad as a conflict of interest (As has been said above, perception is reality in these matters). And even if that were not the case, there's no way any one of us could ever guarantee impartiality from one of these people on any grounds - a perceived love for fair play is flimsy at best.

We also can't let desires to see our own teams do well colour our judgment. There is a belief that Ferrari knowingly and willingly put the squeeze on the FIA, or that the FIA is biased towards Ferrari through no action of Ferrari - either is bad. The reality of that is open for debate, but even that perception is damaging, it's even damaging to supporters who get embroiled in petty arguments whose merit can't ever really be decided. No matter which team appeared, yes even appeared, to have such power, it would be equally damaging.

So whether it's Todt or Dennis, whose names are synonymous with their current teams, like it or not, it's still a problem. And don't think I'm only expending this to the Lamb Wars. Someone elsewhere suggested Nick Fry do the job and I wasted no time in telling him that even if Nick were more qualified (He's more skilled with the business of F1 than the legal and sporting aspects, hence Brawn), it would still be a bad idea because Nick is Honda's man through and through and that would create bias or the perception thereof.

[racechick]

I said Ron Dennis WOULD do a good job-and he would! I did not say he SHOULD do the job- and i dont think he should. would/ should-big difference.
Well now Ive mentioned Ron Dennis on this thread so Tex will sin bin me

[Jensonb]

That point's open for contention as well. On what basis do you say he'd do a good job? He's a McLaren man, has been for decades, is he supposed to be able to just suddenly forget and detach himself from that? I know where you're going with it, but I don't think it's reasonable to suggest he'd be 100% fair. Max likewise would have been a bad choice if March had still been around.

[EwanM]

FIA will surely not elect Todt, Dennis, Stoddart etc etc if they have any sense.
The governing body does more than just adminster F1 (though sometimes even that's questionable).

They have to make sure tracks are up to scratch, race cars pass safety tests. Also they oversee many other forms of motorsports such as the WRC.

Importantly the FIA do the road safety campaign world wide and push the car manufacturers to improve safety, introduce new technology etc etc.

I just feel it has to be someone without the tags and the history, needs to be someone fresh. A chairman of a country motorsport Association (say Germany, UK etc etc) or someone from a background of running a multi-national company etc etc.

OK, maybe i'll get blasted with the London Olympic Lord Coe argument... (maybe not) but even though he is a figure head... London seem to be cocking up already

[7UpJordan]

If there's anyone non-F1 related I don't want to be the next head of the FIA it's Richard Scudamore.