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[bud]

OK so tell me again why you think Ferrari should drop Marlboro all together, whom seem to be happy enough with knowing that they have been a longtime sponsor and people recognize the relationship between the two without having to advertise it on the car during 98% of the race's? Marlboro is proud to be apart of the Ferrari family, the lack of on-car sponsorship is not and has not effected Marlboro's standing in the tobacco industry at all.

Marlboro was well aware of the risk they took still backing Ferrari when the tobacco advertising ban took place ? You take advantage of an opportunity were it exist right? The ban only lie's with the advertisment not in the sponsorship.

ill answer this now then

you say Marlboro dont advertise on the Ferrari car? have you not seen their lil barcode? this is sublimnal advertising! this is no different than people seeing the marlboro logo as ultimately the purpose of it is for people to see it on the car and see marlboro be it the logo or barcode its irrelivent!
Other F1 teams have taken it upon themselves to set a better example with regards to tobacco advertising but Ferrari put their own agenda infront of whats better for the sport and its associated sponsors.

[texasmr2]

Well bud first off I am not that anal as to point out a barcode, which as far as I know is bullpoo, because for me A SMOKER it meant nothing but 'paint scheme design'. Once again I see nothing but a blatant excuse to demean a team one despise's.

[darwin dali]

Nope - I'm just trying to figure out the logic and there is none. Either ban those substances together with a ban for advertising (but of course the major corporations who have an interest in them wouldn't let this happen) or it is a legal product and thus, the free market should allow trading it (which it does) and advertise it (which is allowed for some and for some it isn't). Frankly, I don't think that the government should have a say in what I consume be it alcohol, tobacco or any other drug I wish to consume.

[bud]

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
The Barcode is just the same as having Marlboro written on the car! its about peaople responses, the purpose if the barcode is to have people find out what it is if they dont already know in which they will see Marlborol IF Marlboro were to just sponsor Ferrari with no image or presence what so ever there would be nothing on the car at all there would be no title in the teams name Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro
theres no point in going any further if you cannot see what im on about!! ive studied advertising and graphic design but i wouldnt know what im talking about.

and tex im not demeaning at all im making a obvious statement here as to why one team is allowed to have sponsorship in this way when its meant to be banned and also why Ferrari isnt taking a moral stand here to public health. being so popular they have a duty dont you think?

[bud]

Nope - I'm just trying to figure out the logic and there is none. Either ban those substances together with a ban for advertising (but of course the major corporations who have an interest in them wouldn't let this happen) or it is a legal product and thus, the free market should allow trading it (which it does) and advertise it (which is allowed for some and for some it isn't). Frankly, I don't think that the government should have a say in what I consume be it alcohol, tobacco or any other drug I wish to consume.

Governments have a role to play in the populations health dont you think?
there is talk in Australia of banning fast food advertising especially around the time kids are watching TV.
As im sure youre well aware living in the fattest nation on earth there is a obesity problem with young kids and adults alike in most western countries.

[darwin dali]

Well, there's a person's responsibility and the parents' responsibility as well.
And according to your logic, all cars including F1 cars would have to be banned because it's undeniable that the exhausts are bad for kids' lungs (asthma and what not) or for any person for that matter, let alone the consequences of environmental pollution on other aspects of our lives. Alcohol, the number one killer of all drugs, should be banned (tell that an Irish beer drinker ). The list goes on. Give it up bud.

[bud]

FFS DD i cannot believe a person who is meant to have a PHD needs explaining on this matter. youre reaching pretty pathetically there with the banning car speach! you yourself has said F1 will be going green in the future so why did you bring that up huh?

Wake up!

[texasmr2]

Well bud maybe the so called "barcode' is not enough of an implication toward's smoking in the FOC, FIA or whoever's eye's? Once again this is YOUR PERSONAL interpretation, you like how I refrained from "opinion" . As far as the team's DUTY there only duty is to win and not THINK for the public, there are enough goverment restriction's on citizen's as it is, do you think a racing team should carry that much weight or leverage?

You are the FIRST person I have ever heard that implie's those stripe's are a cigarette barcode and let me add this ok? I know what a barcode look's like and the pack of Marlboro Light's I'm smoking right now, the barcode is twice the number of the bar's than what are on the F1 car. Give me PROOF that those bar's entail the meaning of a cigarette barcode and I will apologize .

[darwin dali]

It was just to show you the way, my friend. Your banning craze would have undesirable consequences if taken to its logical and consistent end.
Having a Ph.D. doesn't exempt me from applying common sense or expressing my libertarian views: legalize ALL drugs or ban ALL drugs! Just because one can buy stock in some of them doesn't make them less harmful than the ones that are deemed illegal (coincidentally all of which you can't buy stock in).

[bud]

tex tex tex you are missing the point still
i called them bar codes because that is what they look like. i did no mean they are an exact barcode off of a packet. I will call them white stripes for you so as to not confuse you then.

This is not my personal interpretation the "white strpes" are purposefully put on the car where Marlboro's logo is meant to be. This is to have some form of association when people see the car they will still see marlboro albeit indirectly. Its called subliminal advertising it is the same when McLaren used to have West they would put David or Kimi or Mika but still use the west logo font and style. ITs subliminal advertising.

but in this day and age of the sport where drivers are considered some of the elite atheletes i dont know why you would want your team associated with something that cannot go hand in hand with being an athelete.

[texasmr2]

If you could buy stock in the Amsterdam "Red Light" district and it's economy I would be a rich man LOL!

bud,
I'm only missing the point in your interpretation, oop's almost said opinion , because our view's are different and guess what? I agree that we disagree on this matter but we usually see 'eye to eye' so it's all good mate .

[bud]

It was just to show you the way, my friend. Your banning craze would have undesirable consequences if taken to its logical and consistent end.
Having a Ph.D. doesn't exempt me from applying common sense or expressing my libertarian views: legalize ALL drugs or ban ALL drugs! Just because one can buy stock in some of them doesn't make them less harmful than the ones that are deemed illegal (coincidentally all of which you can't buy stock in).

its not banning the products its banning advertising of the produbts to impressionable people. theres a difference.

bud,
I'm only missing the point in your interpretation, oop's almost said opinion , because our view's are different and guess what? I agree that we disagree on this matter but we usually see 'eye to eye' so it's all good mate .

Mines not an opinion its whats taught in design and advertising classes as factual.
Fact is Marlboro still has a prescence on the Ferrari livery.

[darwin dali]

As I said, double standards here: alcohol is a very dangerous drug that kills hundred thousands of people every year (alcohol related diseases/cancers, alcohol related car and other accidents, alcohol related homicides) and is responsible for huge losses in manhours, thus a huge economic burden as well. And yet, this drug is being advertised, even on F1 cars of some of those supposedly responsible F1 teams.
BTW: driving a car while smoking is perfectly legal, driving a car while under the influence of alcohol is very illegal! So it is VERY irresponsible to advertise alcohol on a car!

[bud]

dont bring this back on McLaren the fact remains which you have ultimately been going around Cigarette advertising has been banned yet one team still has a cigarette company as their title sponsor.
Im not sorry for questioning that irregularity at all and you can continue to side step that answer to the question by bringing up everything else under the F1 sun!!

PS every Johnnie Walker advert with McLaren is about Drinking responsibly.

DD just go have a smoke huh.

[texasmr2]

Hmm banning the product's to 'impressionable people'? Isn't that like playing judge and jury and taking away one's right's of 'pro-choice'? Sound's like 'THE MAN' or the hollier than thou's sticking their nose into somewhere it does not belong?

Mines not an opinion its whats taught in design and advertising classes as factual.

I dont buy that for one minute bro. So you believe everything your told in a class before you make your own opinion or decision? If that is the foundation of your belief that's simply pathetic. Hey bud jump off that bridge it's good for you! Do you believe that?

Fact is Marlboro still has a prescence on the Ferrari livery.

That may very well be bud but then again is this a PROVEN fact or is it just another unsubstaniated claim from someone who's judgement and opinion is clouded by envy or hatred?

I'm reading your latest reply to DD bud and you are grasping at straw's and frankly my friend it's past the point of whinning, it's utter nonsense and simply just pathetic.