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By texasmr2
#26956
Here an an article concerning the way Ferrari heat's their tire's:

SPEEDtv.com EXCLUSIVE: F1, Racecar Engineering--Secrets of the F2007
Written by: SPEED Channel staff
Charlotte, North Carolina – 11/2/2007
By Charles Armstrong-Wilson, Sam Collins & Barbara Stanley Borras, RACECAR ENGINEERING MAGAZINE

ON THE GAS...

One of the most talked-about elements of the McLaren spy case was a special gas used by Ferrari in its tyres – in particular, an incriminating email from McLaren test driver Pedro De La Rosa to lead driver Fernando Alonso that revealed that the gas reduced the internal temperature and blistering.

In the email De La Rosa is quoted as saying ‘we’ll have to try it, it’s easy!’ Racing tyres are typically filled with air or, in more professional series like Formula 1, Nitrogen. But in an email from Alonso to De La Rosa he states it is ‘very important’ that McLaren test the gas that Ferrari uses in its tyres as ‘they have something different from the rest.’ He follows this up with ‘not only this year.

There is something else and this may be the key. Let’s hope we can test it during this test, and that we can make it a priority!’ It has been widely reported that the gas used by Ferrari was carbon dioxide and, whilst this is partially correct, it’s not the whole story.

Contrary to those that refused to believe alternate tire gasses could have a genuine impact on performance, Ferrari indeed developed an innovative solution. (For a revealing of all of the test results, purchase the December issue of Racecar Engineering.)

In fact, the gas used by Ferrari is a hydrofluorocarbon (HFC)-based mixture designed specifically for use in racecar tyres, though not dissimilar in composition to gasses used in refrigerators, which are comprised entirely of hydrogen, carbon and fluorine.

A team headed by Andrea Seghezzi of Monza, Italy, in association with Gruppo Sapio developed the gas and subjected it to extensive track testing.

It was discovered that the HFCs were able to effectively conduct the heat generated during the rotation of the tyre to the wheel rim at a more or less constant pressure. The wheel rim then acts as a radiator, exchanging the heat with the outside air, maintaining a lower internal temperature and preventing it from overheating. This is particularly effective on aluminium or magnesium wheels.

Racing rubber inflated with air also suffers from the effects of some internal chemical interactions, which damage the structure of the tyre, and can result in a sudden drop in performance. Due to the high capacity for heat transfer, tyres inflated with the new gas mixture achieve excellent longevity, since the temperature of the tyre is kept low and the pressure is constant.

After extensive tyre testing the best blend of HFCs was found to be 52 per cent Tetrafluoroethane, 44 per cent Pentafluoroethane and four per cent Trifluoroethane. This mixture, known as HFC R404 A, was found to be most effective in a racing tyre when it was inflated with a blend of 50 per cent HFC R404 A and 50 per cent CO2.

The use of refrigerant gas to cool the tires and radiate heat away from the carcass through the wheel is but one of many secrets McLaren was privy to.

The use of this new gas mix for tyres has implications far beyond Formula 1, of course, as using it allows teams to run softer compounds for longer, or to work the tyres harder.

It could also be that there will be worthwhile benefits in races run over longer distances, like NASCAR or Le Mans.

The court case continued without revealing the precise details of HFC R404 A, but it transpires that, despite the encouragement of the drivers, a Bridgestone engineer doubted whether the gas mixture would be effective if used on the McLaren MP4/22. However, it is thought that the McLaren drivers were not fully aware of the gas mix, rather they only knew of the CO2 element.
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By f1usa
#26960
As the sole supplier of tyres for all F1 teams, why didn't Bridgestone report the issue of Ferrari's tyre gas mix to the FIA. A Mclaren built ECU will be used by all teams in 08 season. If an ECU unit returned to manufacture had been modified or tampered with, how should this issue be dealt with.
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By vegas
#26967
There will always be a big difference in car speed coming out of the pits with warmers or not. More unsafe? I dont know, but I do know that every team will adapt and change strategy according. Im curious if the FIA plan to enforce teams to use 2 compounds during the 2009 season as well, forcing teams to pit at least once.
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By darwin dali
#27022
As the sole supplier of tyres for all F1 teams, why didn't Bridgestone report the issue of Ferrari's tyre gas mix to the FIA.


Why should they report it?
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By texasmr2
#27024
As the sole supplier of tyres for all F1 teams, why didn't Bridgestone report the issue of Ferrari's tyre gas mix to the FIA.


Why should they report it?

Exactly and there maybe the chance that Bridgestone did not know about the 'technical breakthrough'. I dont think the team's have to reveal their personal data to the tire supplier unless they are getting sub-par performance and need further input or developement. and then that data will be released voluntarily.

Do I smell a FIA hearing in '08 from the grid once again pointing the "they are cheating" finger at Ferrari ?? Hmmm Hmmm
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By deMuRe
#27029
As the sole supplier of tyres for all F1 teams, why didn't Bridgestone report the issue of Ferrari's tyre gas mix to the FIA.


Why should they report it?

Exactly and there maybe the chance that Bridgestone did not know about the 'technical breakthrough'. I dont think the team's have to reveal their personal data to the tire supplier unless they are getting sub-par performance and need further input or developement. and then that data will be released voluntarily.

Do I smell a FIA hearing in '08 from the grid once again pointing the "they are cheating" finger at Ferrari ?? Hmmm Hmmm


This is what the other teams do every time Ferrari comes up with a new innovation, they cry foul. Then the press have a field day with it, mis-report the facts, generate hate and voila, you're villain is served...
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By bud
#27033
As the sole supplier of tyres for all F1 teams, why didn't Bridgestone report the issue of Ferrari's tyre gas mix to the FIA.


Why should they report it?


one make tyre supplier/control tyre is meant to make the tyres a non competitive racing ground thats why! :roll:
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By F1tastic
#27049
This is what the other teams do every time Ferrari comes up with a new innovation, they cry foul. Then the press have a field day with it, mis-report the facts, generate hate and voila, you're villain is served...

Your paranoia bubbles over yet again deMuRe?
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By texasmr2
#27050
This is what the other teams do every time Ferrari comes up with a new innovation, they cry foul. Then the press have a field day with it, mis-report the facts, generate hate and voila, you're villain is served...

Your paranoia bubbles over yet again deMuRe?

That's not paranoia as history has proven it to be fact.
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By Martin
#27055
As the sole supplier of tyres for all F1 teams, why didn't Bridgestone report the issue of Ferrari's tyre gas mix to the FIA.


Why should they report it?

Exactly and there maybe the chance that Bridgestone did not know about the 'technical breakthrough'. I dont think the team's have to reveal their personal data to the tire supplier unless they are getting sub-par performance and need further input or developement. and then that data will be released voluntarily.

Do I smell a FIA hearing in '08 from the grid once again pointing the "they are cheating" finger at Ferrari ?? Hmmm Hmmm


This is what the other teams do every time Ferrari comes up with a new innovation, they cry foul. Then the press have a field day with it, mis-report the facts, generate hate and voila, you're villain is served...


Ferrari is not the only team to come up with new innovations by any means, and they are not the only team to be criticised either. You sound a bit paranoid Demure. Mind you, maybe they are criticised more than some others but then their modus operandi is dubious sometimes, and they have dominant influence with the FIA which encourages them to bend the rules.
If Ferrari were to abandon their domination of the FIA they would probably get less stick from the fans - well only if they modified their behavior as well I suppose. Hopefully with JT on his bike next year things may improve a bit but I somehow doubt it! :?
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By F1tastic
#27058
That's not paranoia as history has proven it to be fact.

Just as it has with many a team.... it's not exclusive Ferrari territory - deMuRe seems to believe the whole world is against Ferrari with that comment, but has so many fans no other team counts in other posts. Which one is it?
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By deMuRe
#27059
I guess it's a little bit of both...
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By texasmr2
#27060
Yah alittle bit of both.
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By Martin
#27062
As the sole supplier of tyres for all F1 teams, why didn't Bridgestone report the issue of Ferrari's tyre gas mix to the FIA.


Why should they report it?

Exactly and there maybe the chance that Bridgestone did not know about the 'technical breakthrough'. I dont think the team's have to reveal their personal data to the tire supplier unless they are getting sub-par performance and need further input or developement. and then that data will be released voluntarily.

Do I smell a FIA hearing in '08 from the grid once again pointing the "they are cheating" finger at Ferrari ?? Hmmm Hmmm


This is what the other teams do every time Ferrari comes up with a new innovation, they cry foul. Then the press have a field day with it, mis-report the facts, generate hate and voila, you're villain is served...


I also think that there is a clear difference between genuine innoivation and rule bending. Some Ferrari 'innovations have definitely been rule bending.
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By deMuRe
#27064
As the sole supplier of tyres for all F1 teams, why didn't Bridgestone report the issue of Ferrari's tyre gas mix to the FIA.


Why should they report it?

Exactly and there maybe the chance that Bridgestone did not know about the 'technical breakthrough'. I dont think the team's have to reveal their personal data to the tire supplier unless they are getting sub-par performance and need further input or developement. and then that data will be released voluntarily.

Do I smell a FIA hearing in '08 from the grid once again pointing the "they are cheating" finger at Ferrari ?? Hmmm Hmmm


This is what the other teams do every time Ferrari comes up with a new innovation, they cry foul. Then the press have a field day with it, mis-report the facts, generate hate and voila, you're villain is served...


I also think that there is a clear difference between genuine innoivation and rule bending. Some Ferrari 'innovations have definitely been rule bending.


There is a fine line between clever interpretation of the rules and rule breaking...

All the teams do it. It's the nature of the pitlane to be have a tall poppey syndrome mentality, when you're on top you have all eyes on you, trying to bring you down, normally from jealousy.

I remember the 2002 and 2004 season when Ferrari were lapping everyone 8 times they all came out of the woodwork and cried foul... Patrick head pointing to supposed flexible bodyparts, Autosport claiming Ferrari's gearbox was changing too quick, it came from all sides...

What can you do? It's natural to try to pick faults in a team that's handing your @ss to you on a plate...

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