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By bmwpower
#19951
I call Hamilton Hamilcheats just because he is a cheater, he has all the help from the maFIA and McLaren, like in Hungary (Do you remember?), or the last races, with his stupid driving with the Safety Car causing an accident, and nothing happens. And a lot of more things...

Why Alonso has a turtle car the last 3 races?
Why he has stupid problems with the tyres in China and Japan?
Why dennis said that the enemy for the championship is Alonso not Kimi?


Guessed you are new to this forum so I guessed I will be dumb enough to answer some of your questions. First there are LH fans and Alonso Fans (me neither), they have argued over driving tactics, driving styles, team supports, mistakes, childish behaviors, but they have never been accused of cheating, even thought Alonso and Pedro was found with the email regarding the Spygate. You listed a bunch of incidents this year regarding LH and him cheating, can you give us some facts besides fictions?? As for the FIA favoring LH and McLaren, dude are you watching the same F1 as the rest of us??, McLaren was fined $100,000, striped of the constructor's points, that's favoring?? I like to see what the FIA would do when they are really mad at McLaren. Regarding the Safety Car collision between Webber, Vettel, and LH, yes Webber was fumed after the race but after sitting down with the racing stewards and all three drivers, they all agreed that Vettel that due to zero visibilty and with Vettel distracted by watching LH up front instead of Wbber in front of him, Webber got slammed from behind. What LH did behind the safety car wasn't illegal, he was trying to find water for his wet tires.


Why Alonso has a turtle car the last 3 races?

You go ask Alonso, he was driving it. So how is this regarding LH cheating?? did he slowed down FA's car ??

Why he has stupid problems with the tyres in China and Japan?

Did half the field had problems with tires?? did LH beach his car?? So how is this in regards to LH cheating?? did he grain FA's tires when he wasn't looking??

Why dennis said that the enemy for the championship is Alonso not Kimi?


The Ferrari came on strong in the last few races and no doubt Brazil will favor the Ferrari chassis. As this point leading up to the Brazil GP, LH has the points advantage and he needs to finish 5th or better to win the Championship. Everyone could have predicted Ferrari's strategy leading up the Brazil, Ferrari no doubt will push hard, and many predicted Massa will qualify on a light fuel for P1 to slow down either closing McLarens and Kimi needs a miracle start if he qualifies for P2. During Q3, FA made a mistake, slipped down to P4, Massa P1, LH P2, Kimi P3. LH was on the dirty side of the track, Massa slowed him down just enough for Kimi to cut across. This strategy or scenerio by Ferrari was already predicted by many and it actually worked perfectly for Ferrari. So everytime RD said we need to worry about Ferrari, that makes LH a cheater?? we need facts.
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By Woodchip
#19954
I call Hamilton Hamilcheats just because he is a cheater, he has all the help from the maFIA and McLaren, like in Hungary (Do you remember?), or the last races, with his stupid driving with the Safety Car causing an accident, and nothing happens. And a lot of more things...

Why Alonso has a turtle car the last 3 races?
Why he has stupid problems with the tyres in China and Japan?
Why dennis said that the enemy for the championship is Alonso not Kimi?


At what point has Hamilton cheated?
The crane? That was within the rules, which have now been amended to stop it happening again.
The S/C? Vettel admits he wasn't looking where he was going.
Hungary? Alonso BLOCKED THE PROGRESSION OF ANOTHER CAR! THAT IS ILLEGAL (MS in Monaco last year got dumped to the back of the grid!)

Alonso had a great car in China (nerfed a wall) and Japan (more cautios with his tyres). However he may not have been seeing all the new parts if he's on his way out of the team (freezing the development of the car to avoid IP being stolen)

Dennis said that as Alonso (a moaner on his way out the team) was closer to Hamilton than Raikonnen so didn't see Raikonnen as a threat.

Now stop dribbling on your keyboard. You're making a mess again.


In hungary Alonso won the pole, and the tears from hamilton and his daddy to the maFIA made the rest... Alonso and McLaren would be the champions without Hamilton cries.

In China the car back from the safety car, has to go a distance of about 5 cars, Hamilton was Parallel from the SC, this is forbidden, if it was Alonso instead of Hamilton, the maFIA would punish him severy. Also Hamilton was slowing and accelerating in strange circunstances, causing the accident, this is forbidden too, except for Hamilton, of course... The maFIA apologize the fault from Vettel, so if it wasn´t Vettel fault ¿Who is the Guilty?, but Hamilton is untouchable for the maFIA...

In China and Japan Alonso has problems in the Q3 with the preassure of his tyres, so he can´t win the pole, things that you can´t read in the partial English press...

Dennis said: "we were racing against Fernando not Kimi" So you can distort it , but he said that textually.

And with all this help to Hamilton, Kimi was the champion... it's funny...
Read the rulebook about blocking another driver. Hamilton's Dad has every right to complain, as he is Hamilton's MANAGER. How many time did William Webber get involved in MS's stewarding decisions?

Read the rule book on S/Cs it is a maximum of 5 car lengths, not a minimum. I'm sure he must have explained his reason well enough to avoid a penalty. Did you ever see the youtube video where the S/C slows dramatically? Or are you looking at this through your "impartial" eyes. If you drive into the back of someone who's fault is it? Yours or the car that is two cars in front of you?

You're right it is funny, all Alonso's whinging got him no-where, apart from back in a shocking Renault. I'm laughing all the way to Portugal (which has a far less agressive culture from what I've seen on this forum)!!!
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By raithrover
#19980
It's hard to have a decent debate without it being hijacked by Alonso or Hamilton fanboys and getting off track!
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By McLaren Fan
#19988

Hamilton made 2 major mistakes that cost him the cahmpionship: china and brazil. Even Hamilton doesn't want to win in court. That's someone that I would respect because unlike bosses at McLaren, he believes in winning on the track and that's how it's supposed to be. Good luck to him next year.

When a title is up for grabs can you blame McLaren for appealing? I wonder what people would say if McLaren didn't appeal? That they've let Hamilton down all this kind of thing. The title was lost by mistakes from McLaren and Hamilton over two Grands Prix. The temperature of the fuel in the cars in question didn't have a say in the title as Hamilton was so far behind. They should be punished by a fine for the FIA cannot pick n' mix, as it were, who does and doesn't get penalties for what. Finally, I've no doubt in my mind that Todt the Toad would waste very little time in appealing the decision if it had a negative impact on Ferrari, as would a lot of other teams.
By ArtHowe
#19995
I agree. Fine the offending teams then the matter is closed and the season is closed and everyone can prepare for next year. In too many ways this season has been a farce, more like a soap opera than a serious sport. The sooner it is put to bed, the better for all concerned.

That's not to say that I blame McLaren one iota for appealing the stewards decision!
Last edited by ArtHowe on 23 Oct 07, 13:31, edited 1 time in total.
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By deMuRe
#20008
i dont go calling him "Ferdando Stroponso" do i


It's catchy though :wink:


It was funny when Martin Brundle called him Fernando Alfonso on ITV, I like Alfonso, it's catchy also...
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By 737flier
#20011
so you think maybe next year they will relocate the starting sequence switch to another location so drivers don't press it accidently?? How many times during the race do you push the starting sequence button?? Once, so maybe please relocate that button somewhere else.

True. It's just common sense


As a programmer I would make the button inactive unless a sequence was initiated, sounds like a bad planning issue.

The steering wheels have too many buttons on them, F1 should get back to basics.. a steering wheel is to turn the car......!!!!!
By Gibraltar is Spain
#20228
'demasiado arroz para tan poco pollo'
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By texasmr2
#20232
'demasiado arroz para tan poco pollo'

Care to translate?
By Gibraltar is Spain
#20238
spanish saying: 'too much for the poor newbie'
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By texasmr2
#20239
spanish saying: 'too much for the poor newbie'

I appreciate that :wink: .
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By stonemonkey
#20245
If his hand hadn't 'slipped' he might be champion but there'd be no McLaren in F1 in 2008 for him to drive.
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By 737flier
#20317
'demasiado arroz para tan poco pollo'


So much for little chicken rice .... :lol::lol::lol:

or

So much rice for few chickens

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