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Totally disagree with you Darwin. At the moment we have no knowledge that Mac cars benefited from any inside design knowledge.
Totally disagree with you Darwin. At the moment we have no knowledge that Mac cars benefited from any inside design knowledge.
I can't help but feel that F have benefited from considerable political and financial leverage that has helped result in this judgement. When they win the constuctors...it will be they that have a hollow victory.
Also the final penalty is inequitable...if the team is to be penalised so should the drivers....but guess what..they havn't, as that would be considerably more damaging to the sport and FIA as the USA fiasco.
In in all it's been a crock of *****. F have got the result (and championship) they wanted at whatever cost.
I sorely hope FA and LH whip the F's in the final races.
HB
PS I have today cancelled my order for a replacement Ferrari!
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
I think it's a fair punishment. McLaren have been punished which is what Ferrari wanted to see and quite rightly so, but yet at the same time, the drivers have been let off because it was not entirely their fault. A tough decision to make but probably the best one to make. Now let's hope all those politics do end up in Brundell's barrell and rolled down a hill.
The logic defies this conclusion. The drivers' points were 'achieved' running in a car that took advantage of illegal information. Even if they didn't know ANYTHING (which is to be doubted judging on rumors of email exchanges, etc. - so they KNEW), they would have been cheating nonetheless. But again, I understand this decision for monetary/business and sporting reasons - the FIA had to make a point to prevent future transgressions, but they also didn't want to throw the baby out with the bath water and damage F1 beyond repair.
I like the extra scrutiny McLaren will have to go through for next year's car - again, something I predicted earlier.
''Mike Coughlan has finally spoken publicly about the Stepneygate scandal, saying he did receive Ferrari's secrets from Nigel Stepney and he did tell McLaren CEO Martin Whitmarsh's about it and even drew drawings for Paddy Lowe, McLaren's engineering director.
Coughlan has revealed that it was Stepney, Ferrari's sacked chief mechanic, who provided him with the Scuderia's secrets back in mid-March of this year. Stepney, though, has denied this all along.
However, once he did pass that information to Coughlan, the Brit showed it to McLaren, something the Woking team has claimed never happened. The information included designs of Ferrari's floor device, a rear wing flap separator, and a technique to lower the floor of the car.''
Haha McLaren you lying fekkers... you got off lightly...
this punishment is not good enough.now ferrari should sue mclaren for damages and finish them off. ron dennis is the biggest cheating liar f1 has ever seen. he should step down
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. this punishment is not good enough.now ferrari should sue mclaren for damages and finish them off. ron dennis is the biggest cheating liar f1 has ever seen. he should step down
A bit harsh here, but I agree, RD (and maybe some other boneheads) should step down and enable the outfit to get a fresh start.
I'm wondering where all of the $100m will be going. The WMSC/FIA's pockets? Ferrari?
Anyway, to those having a go at McLaren fans for defending the team, would it not be the same if it were the other way around? Surely Ferrari fans would defend JT and co, if they were found guilty of the same thing...
I'm wondering where all of the $100m will be going. The WMSC/FIA's pockets? Ferrari?
Anyway, to those having a go at McLaren fans for defending the team, would it not be the same if it were the other way around? Surely Ferrari fans would defend JT and co, if they were found guilty of the same thing...
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. I'm wondering where all of the $100m will be going. The WMSC/FIA's pockets? Ferrari?
Anyway, to those having a go at McLaren fans for defending the team, would it not be the same if it were the other way around? Surely Ferrari fans would defend JT and co, if they were found guilty of the same thing...
It's not a case of us blindly defending our team. Tha fact is Ferrari, politics, commerce and personal grudges had a huge impact on the way in which the spy scandal was dealt with and the punishment dished out.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. I'm wondering where all of the $100m will be going. The WMSC/FIA's pockets? Ferrari?
Anyway, to those having a go at McLaren fans for defending the team, would it not be the same if it were the other way around? Surely Ferrari fans would defend JT and co, if they were found guilty of the same thing...
It's not a case of us blindly defending our team. Tha fact is Ferrari, politics, commerce and personal grudges had a huge impact on the way in which the spy scandal was dealt with and the punishment dished out.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. Had McLaren conducted themselves appropriately from the get go and had they done the just thing to do, there would have never been this mess and now this verdict. Don't blame it on everybody else but McLaren - that's blindly defending them right there.
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