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[Stephen]

FIA's bias towards Ferrari is not new. Ferrari is encouraged by this 5 seconds laughter, so called penalty, Raikkonen drives deliberately on to Hamilton to put out of race and gets only 10 seconds penalty in Silverstone. Raikkonen isn't hurt by 10 seconds. The aim is put Hamilton out of place and he succeeded. That is their way of playing the game dirty and end Hamilton's conquer in Silverstone.

Good lord, there is some utter s*** being said following today's race.

[sagi58]

So incredibly ridiculous to hear that Kimi "purposely" ran into Hamilton!

It's funny how quickly his fans forget that ill-fated season when he and Massa
spent more time coming together on the track than they did racing...

Give me a flippin' break!!

[sagi58]

Of course, it doesn't help when you have this kind of crap from a so-called group of "professionals":

Oliver Brown, chief sports feature writer, silverstone Luke Slater, live updates wrote:">Ferrari accused of 'cheating' by an enraged Lewis Hamilton as F1 title fight gets dirty at British Grand Prix

I won't waste space with the rest of it; but, personally, I liked this particular paragraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/formula-1/2018/07/08/f1-live-british-grand-prix-2018-latest-updates/]...Hamilton was not without flaw in this performance, having thrown away his pole position with over-aggression on the start line, generating wheelspin that allowed Vettel to fly past. That setback was compounded just a few hundred yards down the road, as Raikkonen pushed him off the asphalt, relegating him to the back of the pack. The dejection for the 140,000-strong crowd, the largest single gathering of the British sporting year, was palpable...

Basically, it seems to me that Hamilton does what Hamilton does best, blames someone else instead of accepting that he is not perfect...

[darwin dali]

Sagi, how about you tell us how you REALLY feel

[sagi58]

How do I really feel? Let's just say, this is my current favourite saying...

[robains]

FIA are VERY inconsistent ... so last week it was 5 sec penalty on Vettel for causing a collision that damaged Mercedes Bottas. This week Kimi punts Hamilton and its a 10 sec penalty. Neither of the penalties really made any difference to the driver that caused the collision ... so that begs the question, is it really a "penalty"?

Ferrari telemetry would identify if the collisions from the two races were on purpose or just lack of driver talent. Look at the brake pressure and if there was any less pressure and then sudden increase of ... also combine that with the turn-in (steering angle) and you'll have a clear picture of whether or not the contact was on purpose or not. The FIA have access to this telemetry.

It's possible that Vettel and Kimi just ran out of talent, but that's difficult to believe for drivers that have been around this long in F1 and being paid rather large sums of money to not make mistakes. But having raced real world, I can assure you there are very specific contact points that one learns to make to move a competitor out of the way and not incur damage to oneself ... did Vettel and Kimi do it intentionally? I don't think so from a "planned" perspective, it was more the opportunity presented itself and they elected to be aggressive. But the opportunity came about because to too much wheel spin by Hamilton at the start.

Now if Bottas had taken out Vettel and Kimi in two races, then I'm sure we'd see Ferrari saying the same about Mercedes.

I doubt the FIA will put Ferrari "on notice" because the "Drama" is what showcased just how good Hamilton is/was at Silverstone, coming back from a punt in dead last to finish 2nd ... he may have even won if the tires were allowed to play out without two yellows (Ferrari would have to stop again or suffer extreme tire degradation). Hamilton was clearly the talent of the day responsible for 90% of the passing that day and putting on a good show for the fans.

Cheers, Rob.

[darwin dali]

But the opportunity came about because to too much wheel spin by Hamilton at the start.

It's possible that Vettel and KimiLewis just ran out of talent, but that's difficult to believe for driversa driver that havehas been around this long in F1 and being paid rather large sums of money to not make mistakes.

[sagi58]

FIA are VERY inconsistent ...

Now if Bottas had taken out Vettel and Kimi in two races, then I'm sure we'd see Ferrari saying the same about Mercedes...

Granted, the FIA is inconsistent... and, you have only to do a search of all the incidents Hamilton was involved in to have proof of that... or, you could as Massa, as I'm sure he'll remember every detail on one particular season...

Secondly, your analogies aren't fair or consistent... you suggested that Ferrari would have a problem if Bottas were to have taken out Vettel and then Kimi in two races... well, the truth is that four DIFFERENT drivers were involved in two DIFFERENT collisions/incidents at two DIFFERENT races AND all four finished BOTH races...

((btw... 'take out' does mean that a driver is out of the race and unable to continue, right?))

Personally, I think Hamilton hit the nail on the head, as he finally admitted:

Giles Richards  wrote:">Lewis Hamilton: my comments about Kimi Räikkönen and Ferrari were ‘dumb’
...Hamilton had referred to the incident at Silvertone as “interesting tactics from their side”, adding that “it’s now two races Ferraris have taken out one of the Mercedes”.

He has now accepted his comments were not fair. In a post on Instagram he wrote: “Kimi said sorry and I accept it and we move on. It was a racing incident and nothing more. Sometimes we say dumb s*** and we learn from it.”...

Of course, it will be interesting to see what exactly Hamilton means by "we learn from it"... is he planning on ""accidentally"" taking out vettel or kimi, next race... only he knows for sure!!

[darwin dali]

Of course, it will be interesting to see what exactly Hamilton means by "we learn from it"... is he planning on ""accidentally"" taking out vettel or kimi, next race... only he knows for sure!!

Nah, that could take him out of the race - he has his lackey Bottas for future
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[sagi58]

Of course, it will be interesting to see what exactly Hamilton means by "we learn from it"... is he planning on ""accidentally"" taking out vettel or kimi, next race... only he knows for sure!!

Nah, that could take him out of the race - he has his lackey Bottas for future
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[overboost]

Good to see Hamilton admit that it was a 'racing incident' between himself and Kimi.

So will Kimi have his penalty erased now?

[overboost]

[b]I doubt the FIA will put Ferrari "on notice"[/b] because the "Drama" is what showcased just how good Hamilton is/was at Silverstone, coming back from a punt in dead last to finish 2nd ... he may have even won if the tires were allowed to play out without two yellows (Ferrari would have to stop again or suffer extreme tire degradation). Hamilton was clearly the talent of the day responsible for 90% of the passing that day and putting on a good show for the fans.

Cheers, Rob.

Actually it was Mercedes being talked to by the FIA for their baseless accusations. And I see now that both Wolff and Hamilton have retracted their statements and at least Wolff has apologized.

Bringing the sport into disrepute is a serious infraction and it is smart of Merc to have their people clean up their messes before any investigation is started.

[robains]

You ladies/gents need to race real world more often ... what you read from the media and hear from Hamilton is lip service, nothing more, nothing less. Be it Kimi's comments or Lewis's comments or Vettel's comments ... what they say to the FIA/Press will be entirely different than what they actually think/feel ... been there and done that and the organizing body will ALWAYS require drivers to "forget" their differences going forward to next race ... obviously we don't and we never do but were going to tell everyone "it's forgotten".

What happens next with drivers really depends on what will benefit them the most. For example, if Vettel's race pace during practice is not close to Hamilton's then come race day, Vettel will know that he'll lose if he doesn't do something and since he has the points advantage ... that something will be aggressive moves on Hamilton because it would prevent Hamilton gaining points as Hamilton would have more to lose than Vettel. And if you don't think that's how drivers think, then look back at Senna's admission of taking out Prost for the championship. It would be extremely naive for anyone to think F1 drivers don't trigger events on purpose, of course they do, they all do ... remember when Flavio told their team driver Nelson Piquet to crash so Alonso could benefit. Make no mistakes, F1 is a battle ground both on track and off track.

There is a huge difference on the talent meter between a poor start and hitting someone ... so your name swap analogy is like comparing Apples to Elephants ... for one a poor start doesn't involve contact, it was excessive wheel spin due to tires cooling down too much from a lengthy grid formation. That's a frequent problem for pole sitters as they have to guess how long formation will be and how much heat they need to put into the tires (too much heat and you'll bog down the start, too little heat and you'll get wheel spin), victim to however long it takes for the back of the field to form on the grid.

I think you folks are being extremely naive about this ... lets wait and see, if the opportunity presents (point standing and track position) I can guarantee you there will be more "caused a collision" penalties handed out.

Cheers, Rob.

[darwin dali]

There is a huge difference on the talent meter between a poor start and hitting someone ... so your name swap analogy is like comparing Apples to Elephants ... for one a poor start doesn't involve contact, it was excessive wheel spin due to tires cooling down too much from a lengthy grid formation. That's a frequent problem for pole sitters as they have to guess how long formation will be and how much heat they need to put into the tires (too much heat and you'll bog down the start, too little heat and you'll get wheel spin), victim to however long it takes for the back of the field to form on the grid.

Hm, it's just so glaring that SV who was in the same boat so to speak as LH at the front of the grid didn't have any issues and graced us with a talented rocket start while LH looked rather pedestrian...

[overboost]

Bottas in the sister Merc sitting just behind Hamilton had a great start also to take the lead. Giving away a race win at the start is a huge mistake imo. Lewis also gave away a championship to Rosberg in 2016 with four bad starts leading to four Rosberg wins.