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[gdh]

Feb 2016 a FIA to Merc: " ok so you're in for 3 in a row can you please orchestrate something that at least looks like there is a real race for the WDC. Our mktg dept is having trouble promoting F1 as te pinnacle of racing, the plebs are not so much buying it anymore . We all know that the plebs are stupid but we may have to try to trck them into believing that all is not preordained. We need to get our viewership numbers up to enhance a possible sale and get our $ out before any potential suitor fully realizes that the millenials for the most part could not care less about an overhyped non competitive ego rich show that their grandparents and some parents used to fawn over. The lipstick on our darling pig is wearing thin. Oh and since you had a nice run for 3 yrs we have to determine who will be rewarded with the next run for both the Constructors and Drivers Championships. Lets see we had a good Ferrari run, then they pissed too many off, we handed it over to Renault and they messed it up so onto Brawn, he didn't play proper so gave it to Red Bull and their young driver who would play nice for us then we gave it to you Merc. You said that Lewis would deliver more viewership but that really didn't materialize next you created a drivers conspiracy and now that is not really working either as maybe the plebs aren't as stupid as all believed".
June 2016 FIA bd office: "better get our $billions out now".

[sagi58]

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Hamilton had a "massive advantage" from his off track driving at the start. Track limits were completely ignored in this case where Hamiton simply drove in a straight line avoiding two corners after missing his braking point. A Chinese pitlane style trap should be installed to prevent this shortcutting from happening. In this case Whiting should have intervened and placed Hamilton at the very least behind Rosberg, Verstappen, Hulkenburg and Ricciardo which is where he would have ended up if he had done the proper thing and re-entered the track just before the bollard at turn 2 (as Perez did, see video). Blind Whiting needs to go.

Many are also commenting that Hamilton was not penalized as the powers that be want a title decider in Abu Dhabi.



http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/11/02/n ... r-cutting/

https://youtu.be/EI-nMx-gnTU

DR, NH, and SP speak out: "Hamilton straight-lined the corner after locking up a glazed brake at the start of the race. An unhappy Daniel Ricciardo described Hamilton’s driving as “kindergarten stuff” and Nico Hulkenberg alleged the race winner gained a “massive advantage”." Perez was asked in the post race interview why he didn’t went straight to turn three if Hamilton had done it without receiving a penalty, his answer: “I didn’t know Hamilton had done it without a penalty, I only knew it wasn’t right”.

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"FIA STATEMENT REGARDING ACTIONS OF SEBASTIAN VETTEL AT MEXICAN F1 GRAND PRIX
At the recent Mexican Grand Prix, the Ferrari driver Sebastian Vettel made comments over team radio using repeated foul language directed at both the FIA Formula 1 Race Director Charlie Whiting and a fellow competitor which were retransmitted during the live broadcast of the event.

Immediately following this incident, Sebastian Vettel spontaneously sought out Charlie Whiting to express his regrets for his behaviour in person. He then, again on his own initiative, sent letters to each of the FIA President Jean Todt and Charlie Whiting, in which he apologised profusely for his actions. He also indicated that he would likewise be contacting Max Verstappen and vowed that such an incident would never occur again.

In the light of this sincere apology and strong commitment, the FIA President has decided, on an exceptional basis, not to take disciplinary action against Mr Vettel by bringing this matter before the FIA International Tribunal.

The FIA will always condemn the use of offensive language in motor sport – especially when directed at officials and/or fellow participants – and expects all participants in its Championships to be respectful and mindful of the example they set for the public and the younger generation in particular.

The FIA takes this opportunity to advise that, in the event of any future incident similar to the one that occurred in Mexico, disciplinary action will be taken by bringing such incident before the FIA International Tribunal to be judged."

Does this mean that Vettel should get his podium back? That post race penalty was likely payback by Whiting for Vettel's 'message'.

[darwin dali]

Hamilton had a "massive advantage" from his off track driving at the start. Track limits were completely ignored in this case where Hamiton simply drove in a straight line avoiding two corners after missing his braking point. A Chinese pitlane style trap should be installed to prevent this shortcutting from happening. In this case Whiting should have intervened and placed Hamilton at the very least behind Rosberg, Verstappen, Hulkenburg and Ricciardo which is where he would have ended up if he had done the proper thing and re-entered the track just before the bollard at turn 2 (as Perez did, see video). Blind Whiting needs to go.

Many are also commenting that Hamilton was not penalized as the powers that be want a title decider in Abu Dhabi.



http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/11/02/n ... r-cutting/

https://youtu.be/EI-nMx-gnTU

DR, NH, and SP speak out: "Hamilton straight-lined the corner after locking up a glazed brake at the start of the race. An unhappy Daniel Ricciardo described Hamilton’s driving as “kindergarten stuff” and Nico Hulkenberg alleged the race winner gained a “massive advantage”." Perez was asked in the post race interview why he didn’t went straight to turn three if Hamilton had done it without receiving a penalty, his answer: “I didn’t know Hamilton had done it without a penalty, I only knew it wasn’t right”.

Reviewing the video: that non-decision was absofuckinglutely ridiculous and Whiting should be sent to the FIA Tribunal for bringing F1 into disrepute

[gdh]

Whiting and the stewards decision making for mch of the year has been bush league at best. If it had been Hamilton being held up by Max instead of Vettel how different would they have ruled? I could only imagine what would have happened if Hamilton was held up as this would have nearly put the lock on Rosberg's title. We've seen Alonzo's chances for titles ruined in the past by drivers blocking, ie. Petrov and Schumacher. Hopefully Braun can clean out the old guard and we can get back to some actual wheel to wheel hard competitive racing vs this sanitized crap that have now. If teams can only compete for P12 on down why even have them? The factory teams will not supply their best engines/software to the other teams so the underfunded teams cannot compete. Might be time for factory teams only, Red Bull has the $ as does Williams and McLaren. Would anyone miss the Manors and Force Indias if Mer , Ferrari, Renault, Red Bull, McLaren/Honda, Williams and maybe 1 other competitvely funded and engine supplied team were too run 3 cars each? Or not allow factory teams at all and turn into an Indy style of parts bin car. I would like to see the best drivers truly compete against one another on a more equal footing. Glad for next yrs rules changes that will hopefully end this lift and coast era, lets the drivers races balls out from start to finish cut the costs to stage a race, bring back some of the famous European old venues (upgraded of course) and mor N. American venues and let the on track product begin to live up to its mktg hype.

[sagi58]

Horrible... just ridiculously horrible...

It would seem the only one being honest is Ecclestone
declaring that it's better for F1 if Hamilton wins...

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Just for the record here is the rule giving Whiting the responsibility:

"Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the race director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track."

[rob91]

Just for the record here is the rule giving Whiting the responsibility:

"Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the race director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track."

The rule should be as follows:

Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so. If the driver has not lost time at the exact point they re-join the track then it will be deemed that they have cut the track and shall be given a drive-through penalty. If the driver fails to take the penalty within three racing laps they shall be given a black flag.

This is crystal clear, all the stewards have to do is to check whether the driver has lost time and give the penalty if necessary. Simple.

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Or a variation of your suggestion rob91 as put forward by Verstappen:

However Verstappen said he still does not agree with the ruling. “I’ve got a penalty, I think if you give penalties, give it to both, or you don’t give any penalties,” he said.
“But I think what we need to maybe change for the future is once you go off it should be a penalty on its own instead of the stewards interference and deciding a penalty. We need to come up with a solution that once you go off that should be the penalty on its own.”

And here is the first line in Whiting's defense of his non-ruling:

Whiting said: “You can see that Lewis makes a small mistake at the beginning,..."

After all it was just a small mistake, hardly worthy of his attention I suppose! He lies like Trump! Wake up Charlie he put his car off track by missing his braking point and cut two corners, not a small mistake at all but it is necessary for Whiting to minimize the incident to make his non action seen plausible.

Whiting doesn't even try to address the facts that Hamilton made no effort to return to the track at turn two and if he were to properly return to the track before the bollard he would have lost at least 3-4 positions, a lasting advantage as described in the rules. Instead we see Hamilton actually accellerating across the grass, no intent to make turn 2 at all.

Time to go Charlie. It was good at least to see they put him on the hot seat at the drivers press conference to be personnally held accountable for his decisions or lack thereof. Maybe the rug is about to be pulled.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/11/10/w ... in-mexico/

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Whiting says that the Stewards are always consistent! He is living in his own little world it seems:

"Race director Charlie Whiting has rejected claims the FIA’s practice of rotating the stewards between race weekends leads to inconsistent decision-making.

Quizzed by journalists on whether the practice of bringing different stewards to each race led to similar incidents being treated differently, Whiting said “needless to say I disagree”.

“As Lewis [Hamilton] pointed out, every incident is different. Some can look at first sight to be very similar to another incident from a previous race.”

“But when you examine them more carefully, you must remember also that the stewards have an enormous amount of images available to them, data, all manner of things available to them which you don’t see.”

“So it’s easy to say that decisions are made inconsistently but more often than not in my opinion when you look into it in detail you find that incident A wasn’t the same as incident B, they have small differences, and that’s where I think further explanation is sometimes needed.”

Sergio Perez accused the stewards of “inconsistency” when he was penalised for failing to slow sufficiently due to yellow flags in Singapore. Daniil Kvyat also charged the stewards with inconsistency after he was penalised for an incident with Romain Grosjean during the Mexican Grand Prix.

Formula One previously had a position of permanent steward which was abolished at the end of 2009. The practice of using former racing drivers as stewards began the following year."

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/11/10/d ... -stewards/

[sagi58]

You can't have consistency, if the stewards are different.
Subjectivity enters into most decisions, even if rules seem to be clear cut.

Bring back permanent stewards. After all, if Whiting can travel the world
to be at each race, so can a steward be hired permanently to do the same.
Even if they rotate stewards from year to year, at least that's better than
rotating them race to race!