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Perez did a great job. Too bad he will be 5 places back due to his practice crash.

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Hamilton will be coming through the pack from 10th tomorrow after throwing away pole with a crash.

[darwin dali]

Looks like he's bleeding the lizard

[overboost]

He pissed it away!

And now he gets to start between Max and Roman. Good luck at turn 1.

[sagi58]

At least, it's not a couple of years ago and he's between Maldonado and Massa!!

[Bladesman]

That goes down as the most boring race of the year.

[gdh]

Loved hearing Vettel question and disregard team orders to pit. Excellent drive by Perez, interesting comments by Toto about Hamilton not being able to figure out the tech issue whereas Nico did fairly quickly and Nico's radio msg offering advice. Not as exciting a race as expected.

[Bladesman]

Loved hearing Vettel question and disregard team orders to pit. Excellent drive by Perez, interesting comments by Toto about Hamilton not being able to figure out the tech issue whereas Nico did fairly quickly and Nico's radio msg offering advice. Not as exciting a race as expected.

Would be interesting but Nico had changed the setting first then he just went and changed it back. Lewis's problem was different as he hadn't changed a setting and had to find a work around to sort it out.

Although its standard Mercedes PR to say the other car had a similar issue. I think if Lewis had wet himself in the car Id expect Toto to say Nico did as well.

[PTRACER]

After all the mistakes and incidents in qualifying, I got the impression that they weren't anywhere near the limit in the race. F1 has become so much about managing this and managing that and hitting this target and hitting that delta that they're not properly racing them anymore.

[rob91]

F1 has become so much about managing this and managing that and hitting this target and hitting that delta that they're not properly racing them anymore.

Completely agree, there are so many restrictions today compared to 6+ years ago. I recently watched the 2005 British Grand Prix in full (if you don't count the ITV commercial breaks) and I really enjoyed it because they were pushing pretty much right from the beginning to the chequered flag, no real worries about needing to save fuel, save tyres, manage the engine etc. There was very little overtaking in that race but to me that doesn't matter so much as the ability to push to the limit throughout the race. You just don't see this type of race anymore mainly because of the fuel restrictions and the delicate tyres which punish flat out driving.

[myownalias]

If it weren't for the midfield, this race would have put me to sleep; Rosberg out front, managing the pace, I never got the impression that he was even close to the limit while pulling out a half second a lap. I have just finished watching the race and can't remember to many specifics, I guess that says everything we need to know about the European Grand Prix.

[sagi58]

After all the mistakes and incidents in qualifying, I got the impression that they weren't anywhere near the limit in the race. F1 has become so much about managing this and managing that and hitting this target and hitting that delta that they're not properly racing them anymore.

Maybe F1 has to stop trying to be politically correct...
first step, rebuild the mystique of being the pinnacle of the sport
instead of pleasing road car manufacturers and giving them a place
to show off their environmentally-friendly technology which has done
little else than castrate the true identity of formula one racing!!

[PTRACER]

F1 has become so much about managing this and managing that and hitting this target and hitting that delta that they're not properly racing them anymore.

Completely agree, there are so many restrictions today compared to 6+ years ago. I recently watched the 2005 British Grand Prix in full (if you don't count the ITV commercial breaks) and I really enjoyed it because they were pushing pretty much right from the beginning to the chequered flag, no real worries about needing to save fuel, save tyres, manage the engine etc. There was very little overtaking in that race but to me that doesn't matter so much as the ability to push to the limit throughout the race. You just don't see this type of race anymore mainly because of the fuel restrictions and the delicate tyres which punish flat out driving.

It's funny, because if you'd asked me back around 2005-2007, I would have said Formula 1 was in the worst state it was ever in. Who knew that in 2016 it would be so much worse? Although to be fair, some of the races this year like the Spanish GP, or last year's American Grand Prix have been some of the best races I've seen in the 20 years I've been watching.

After all the mistakes and incidents in qualifying, I got the impression that they weren't anywhere near the limit in the race. F1 has become so much about managing this and managing that and hitting this target and hitting that delta that they're not properly racing them anymore.

Maybe F1 has to stop trying to be politically correct...
first step, rebuild the mystique of being the pinnacle of the sport
instead of pleasing road car manufacturers and giving them a place
to show off their environmentally-friendly technology which has done
little else than castrate the true identity of formula one racing!!

You can thank Mad Max for all of that

Also, have you seen sports car racing (e.g. WEC) lately? They're doing hybrid systems, energy recovery, alternative fuels and so on. And you know what? It's less expensive, it has far more relevance to road technology, it's more reliable and more importantly it WORKS.

[overboost]

After all the mistakes and incidents in qualifying, I got the impression that they weren't anywhere near the limit in the race. F1 has become so much about managing this and managing that and hitting this target and hitting that delta that they're not properly racing them anymore.

The fuel restriction has to be the worst aspect of the current F1 regulations and unfortunately at Merc's insistance it is carrying over into 2017. The cars lap 6 or 7 seconds off of qually pace managing the fuel economy instead of racing. Not a good situation.

[PTRACER]

After all the mistakes and incidents in qualifying, I got the impression that they weren't anywhere near the limit in the race. F1 has become so much about managing this and managing that and hitting this target and hitting that delta that they're not properly racing them anymore.

The fuel restriction has to be the worst aspect of the current F1 regulations and unfortunately at Merc's insistance it is carrying over into 2017. The cars lap 6 or 7 seconds off of qually pace managing the fuel economy instead of racing. Not a good situation.

This is the root cause of it all to be honest. I see people complaining that the harder Pirelli compounds are too durable and lasting 40+ laps...Er no, they're not too durable. Everyone on the medium tyre is 2-3 seconds off the pace driving an economy run.

That doesn't surprise me about Merc though. See, these new engines pre-combust fuel before it enters the cylinder, giving the same amount of power as a regular engine but using 2/3rds the amount of fuel. Merc have had this technology since the start of the new formula in 2014. Ferrari didn't have this engine technology until mid-2015. Renault even later. Honda only just recently. This is the primary reason they are so far ahead of the competition.