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[sagi58]

...the most exciting was the open 60 minute session where at the end of the season, there were 20+ cars on the track trying to improve.

I haven't been around F1 that long; but, would like to learn more.
Do you remember what year(s) that happened?

[sagi58]

I had a couple of minutes, so I googled it!

[myownalias]

You know, I don't remember, but I remember it was replaced by the single flying lap per driver qualifying that replaced it!

[sagi58]

I found this:

 wrote:">Formula One racing

...Traditionally before 1996, qualifying was split into two one-hour sessions; the first was held on Friday (Thursday at Monaco) afternoon from 13:00 to 14:00 local time, with the second held on Saturday afternoon at the same time. The fastest time set by each driver from either session counted towards his final grid position. Each driver was limited to twelve laps per qualifying session.[2]

In 1996, qualifying was amended with the Friday qualifying session abolished in a favour for a single qualifying session held on Saturday afternoon. As previously, each driver was limited to twelve laps with the inclusion of a 107% rule to exclude drivers with slow lap times. This was calculated by using the time of the driver on pole position and adding on 7% to create a cut-off time.[3] This format remained until the conclusion of the 2002 season...

After that, it seems to have changed every year!

[stonemonkey]

You know, I don't remember, but I remember it was replaced by the single flying lap per driver qualifying that replaced it!

It was 2 sessions of 1 flying lap for each driver in each, the first session order was determined by championship position (or possibly previous race finishing position) and the results of the 1st session determined the order they went out in the 2nd session with slowest 1st to fastest last.
I was at Silverstone that year and the qualifying fell apart, rain was expected sometime in the 2nd session so everyone wanted to run early so the first session became a race of who could do the slowest lap.
Schumacher was first to run in the first session and he sent his car into a spin on the final corner, everyone after that just did slow laps or hit the brakes before crossing the line. It was a total farce.
I can't remember what year though, I was there 04,05 and 06 so it was one of those.

I quite like the sound of the new proposed format, it'll be a bit of chaos at times but I think it could be more exciting than any previous format.

[myownalias]

You know, I don't remember, but I remember it was replaced by the single flying lap per driver qualifying that replaced it!

It was 2 sessions of 1 flying lap for each driver in each, the first session order was determined by championship position (or possibly previous race finishing position) and the results of the 1st session determined the order they went out in the 2nd session with slowest 1st to fastest last.
I was at Silverstone that year and the qualifying fell apart, rain was expected sometime in the 2nd session so everyone wanted to run early so the first session became a race of who could do the slowest lap.
Schumacher was first to run in the first session and he sent his car into a spin on the final corner, everyone after that just did slow laps or hit the brakes before crossing the line. It was a total farce.
I can't remember what year though, I was there 04,05 and 06 so it was one of those.

I don't ever remember the first qualifying session, I guess that I must never have watched to qualifying order session.

[stonemonkey]

You know, I don't remember, but I remember it was replaced by the single flying lap per driver qualifying that replaced it!

It was 2 sessions of 1 flying lap for each driver in each, the first session order was determined by championship position (or possibly previous race finishing position) and the results of the 1st session determined the order they went out in the 2nd session with slowest 1st to fastest last.
I was at Silverstone that year and the qualifying fell apart, rain was expected sometime in the 2nd session so everyone wanted to run early so the first session became a race of who could do the slowest lap.
Schumacher was first to run in the first session and he sent his car into a spin on the final corner, everyone after that just did slow laps or hit the brakes before crossing the line. It was a total farce.
I can't remember what year though, I was there 04,05 and 06 so it was one of those.

I don't ever remember the first qualifying session, I guess that I must never have watched to qualifying order session.

It was 2004
Http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/238276 ... stone.html

According to wiki, the latter half of 2005 was a single session of single flying laps. Seems like there were quite a few formats tried out around that time.

[darwin dali]

Ok, the new quali format is, um, UTTER SH!TE!
After the initial rush at the beginning of each session, for half of the time there aren't any cars or at most 1 or 2 on track. And then they have to abort a quali lap because there's not enough time to finish it according to the red countdown clock. Instead of racing at the limit, we have communal clock watching.
As I said: UTTER SH!TE

[sagi58]

Why does everything have to be new and improved??
Why did they have to change the format??
Not only did it seem fair, it wasn't so convoluted!!

[darwin dali]

Prediction: they're going back to the old format by China.

[overboost]

It looks like the teams are listening to you:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... ying-talks

Formula 1 team principals will meet in Melbourne on Sunday morning to discuss whether the unsuccessful elimination qualifying format can be changed before the Bahrain Grand Prix, Autosport has learned.

The first attempt at running F1's revamped qualifying system in Australia on Saturday was pilloried as a lack of time and tyres to allow drivers to react to ending up 'on the bubble' in the 90-second elimination windows meant large periods with no track action.

IN QUOTES: F1 paddock's scathing reaction to new qualifying

Mercedes motorsport chief Toto Wolff was among many team bosses to immediately call for change.

Asked if it could be done in the fortnight before the next grand prix in Bahrain, he replied: "There is a will. That should be the target".

Although some have advocated the briefly-mooted compromise proposal - which did not come to fruition - of running Q3 in the previous style and retaining the elimination system for Q1 and Q2, Wolff said the most practical solution was to go back to the 2006-15 method entirely.

"The obvious choice is to return to what we had before," he said. "It's in the regulations.

"If we were to come up with a different format we need to think carefully what that would be."

Teams need to agree unanimously on any change and then have it approved by the F1 Commission and the FIA's World Motor Sport Council.

[myownalias]

Ok, the new quali format is, um, UTTER SH!TE!
After the initial rush at the beginning of each session, for half of the time there aren't any cars or at most 1 or 2 on track. And then they have to abort a quali lap because there's not enough time to finish it according to the red countdown clock. Instead of racing at the limit, we have communal clock watching.
As I said: UTTER SH!TE

The issue of not enough tires + fuel weight penalty and high turn around times is as much to blame as the silly countdown. Half the drivers sat in the pits waiting for the clock to run down then as soon as it hit zero got out of their cars and walked to the back and the four minute dead zone in final Q because Ferrari decided not to make a second run was absolutely disastrous for fans watching on TV and at the venue. Another massive FIA/FOM chicken up, more changes that were not needed, the grid remains as it would have been, just with even less on track action.

Prediction: they're going back to the old format by China.

Yes, Sky F1 commentator Martin Brundle made the comment "Does anyone remember new qualifying format in 2016 that only lasting one race?", I have not read anything so far would indicate that the format was a success, but I fear that the FIA will stick with the format until at least Europe.

[overboost]

Please F1 make use of this opportunity to go back to the best qually format of them all - The One Hour Shootout. One hour, twelve laps each and the best time wins. How simple and exciting is that!

Austria 1998:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXqOdCuxxcA

San Marino 2000:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viwllFnipds

Spa 2002:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH4YOoXnlck

[myownalias]

Please F1 make use of this opportunity to go back to the best qually format of them all - The One Hour Shootout. One hour, twelve laps each and the best time wins. How simple and exciting is that!

I have been saying this since the start of the talk of a new quali format...

I remember the argument being "nothing happens in the first 20 minutes" in regard to the 1hr/12lap sessions, Melbourne's qualifying was the opposite, lots of immediate action, then nothing for the final five minutes of each session. Sky Sports is reporting that there will be a U-turn before Bahrain...

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12515/ ... -lambasted

[rob91]

A different format should be used. Keep the 3 sessions but do it like this:

Q1 – A 20 minute session with all 22 cars taking part, everyone can improve their laptime up to the chequered flag. At the end of the session the top 5 cars leapfrog straight into Q3, the bottom 17 cars progress to Q2.

Q2 – A 15 minute session with the bottom 17 cars from Q1 taking part, everyone can improve their laptime up to the chequered flag. At the end of the session the top 5 cars progess to Q3, the bottom 12 cars form positions 11 to 22 on the starting grid for the race.

Q3 – A 10 minute session with the top 5 cars from Q1 and the top 5 cars from Q2 taking part, everyone can improve their laptime up to the chequered flag. At the end of the session the top 10 cars form positions 1 to 10 on the starting grid for the race.

This method will mean every driver taking part will be pushing in every session they are in, which will make for better viewing for the spectators, and every driver taking part has 2 chances to make the Q3 session and fight for pole position, which is a fairer system than the knockout format of previous seasons.