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[CookinFlat6]

:rotfl:

Maybe we should just ask Frank Williams for his opinion instead, he has left many hanging since he predicted Bottas would be a future WDC

[Hammer278]

I'm going to spout an unpopular opinion here, my 4th driver (Looking at everything, completeness of a driver). But to clarify in my honest opinion there is very little separating the top 5 drivers on the grid, I'd almost put them all as number 1 they are so close in my view.

1) Alonso
2) Ricciardo
3) Bottas
4) Hamilton
5) Button



Edit: if we could include non f1 drivers on the list Dean Stoneman would be pushing out JB

Wtf? Button below Hamilton? Are you high. You do know Button outscored Hamilton in their 3 year Championship and thus became Champion in the McLaren battle, not to mention gaining the trust and love of the McLaren personnel via steak dinners and disturbing smiles and winning the McLaren mind game battle with Hamilton exiting the team before winning his Championship and owning the field.

[RyRy]

I'm going to spout an unpopular opinion here, my 4th driver (Looking at everything, completeness of a driver). But to clarify in my honest opinion there is very little separating the top 5 drivers on the grid, I'd almost put them all as number 1 they are so close in my view.

1) Alonso
2) Ricciardo
3) Bottas
4) Hamilton
5) Button



Edit: if we could include non f1 drivers on the list Dean Stoneman would be pushing out JB

Are you high?

Ranking Riccardo and Bottas above Hamilton and Button...

Firstly you need a few years before ranking Bottas but I do agree Bottas has potential.

Secondly Riccardo needs one our two years more especially in a top car to judge him, however based on the spanking he gave Vettel I agree he will be up with the top 2

[CookinFlat6]

Theres a big difference in a driver who has shown massive potential over a season or 2 and those that have actually delivered on the potential, in different teams, good and bad cars and despatched every teammate, WDC or rookie. This is the difference between class and form.

Kyviat, Ricc and Bottas have all shown form, Alonso and Hamilton have shown permanent CLASS, with Lewis obviously edging Alonso on account of beating him as teammates, and having superior results in half the time.

Now when comparing a new potential star who has shown great form and potential, it is ok to rank them above an established driver who has also shown the same form but have never shown the permanent class, why? because with the established star class doesnt show up after 10 years of patchy form, whereas with the new potential driver showing form, class cannot yet be ruled out

So kyviat, Bottas and Ricc who have shown form and potential, can be placed tentatively ahead of those like Seb who have also shown potential and form but have been around long enough to confirm that they dont have the class that brings permanent form that only Alonso and Lewis have, Lewis ofcourse more so than Alonso

Therefore Kyviat is at least as good as Kimi, Seb, but potentially also has the class that sets drivers apart and normally takes a few years to manifest, except the 'stratospherics' like Lewis and Senna who do things in their rookie year that only class does.

This also means Ricc is possibly got 1 more year to move from the 'potential' or 'Newey' to permanent class like the top 2. In fact if Ricc is spanked by Kyviat this year (and within RBR Kyviat is said to be faster) or the car is not a stand out and his 'eyecatching' form from last year vanishes like Sebs........

[CookinFlat6]

So this sets up a little bit of math to see where Ricciardo potentially would land if he were not held back by the inferior engine and chassis of the RB-10.

Ricc points/ Vett points x Rosberg points = Ricciardo's potential points driving the W05rld Champion. 238/167x317 = 452

You yardsticks should not keep trying to do complex maths or statistical analysis, when you are still having difficulty working out how engines are made and how boycotts work, or how to use a false id to spew rascist insults at one driver, without remembering, that switching from your regular id to the fake one and back again can be mapped by login/out times

Anyway 452 points is over 18 straight wins, I didnt see Rosberg do this, and so hows Ricc meant to get 452 points

[overboost]

So this sets up a little bit of math to see where Ricciardo potentially would land if he were not held back by the inferior engine and chassis of the RB-10.

Ricc points/ Vett points x Rosberg points = Ricciardo's potential points driving the W05rld Champion. 238/167x317 = 452

You yardsticks should not keep trying to do complex maths or statistical analysis, when you are still having difficulty working out how engines are made and how boycotts work, or how to use a false id to spew rascist insults at one driver, without remembering, that switching from your regular id to the fake one and back again can be mapped by login/out times

Anyway 452 points is over 18 straight wins, I didnt see Rosberg do this, and so hows Ricc meant to get 452 points

What is this about cookin?

I would strongly suggest that you remove this immediately and refrain from making false accusations in the future.

[CookinFlat6]

I dont see any explicit accusations of anything specific

Just a generic comment of how yardsticks in F1 (for example the yardstick that covers those who have self professed little knowledge and/or are new to F1) are generally not best suited to try certain tricks that are as old as the first ICQ bulletin boards)

If you reckon you dont belong to the yardstick thats your opinion as I have mine

[1Lemon]

I'm going to spout an unpopular opinion here, my 4th driver (Looking at everything, completeness of a driver). But to clarify in my honest opinion there is very little separating the top 5 drivers on the grid, I'd almost put them all as number 1 they are so close in my view.

1) Alonso
2) Ricciardo
3) Bottas
4) Hamilton
5) Button



Edit: if we could include non f1 drivers on the list Dean Stoneman would be pushing out JB

Are you high?

Ranking Riccardo and Bottas above Hamilton and Button...

Firstly you need a few years before ranking Bottas but I do agree Bottas has potential.

Secondly Riccardo needs one our two years more especially in a top car to judge him, however based on the spanking he gave Vettel I agree he will be up with the top 2

I'm forming my views based on the junior catagories that Bottas and Ricciardo was in too, but let me defend my opinion here.

Hamilton is lower because he is the fastest driver by a small margin than anyone else on the grid, but only when he is in the right mindset, this isn't a mental weakness thing but we all know Lewis is very open emotionally and it shows in his times sometimes, on his day (And there have been a lot) he is unbeatable but there are times when he just seems a tad lackluster; even on these lackluster days he can be fighting for wins but he's not as blindingly fast as he can be.

Bottas was able to impress in 2013 in a car that was frankly crap, his junior performances were brilliant too, but the thing is whilst he may not have Hammy's raw speed his is a more consistent entity, same with Ricciardo although I feel he has a bit more race craft than Bottas.

[overboost]

I dont see any explicit accusations of anything specific

Just a generic comment of how yardsticks in F1 (for example the yardstick that covers those who have self professed little knowledge and/or are new to F1) are generally not best suited to try certain tricks that are as old as the first ICQ bulletin boards)

If you reckon you dont belong to the yardstick thats your opinion as I have mine

I am not really interested if you are new to F1 or not nor how many tricks you may have learned from other bulletin boards.

The only opinion you should be concerned about is mine as I do consider this to be an explicit accusation and have asked you to remove it and also to refrain from making other false accusations such as this in the future.

And really, if as you say you are accusing everyone in general then that just makes it worse. Smarten up.

[CookinFlat6]

Lets not turn this into another circular bickfest, this dialogue is terminated

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Lets not turn this into another circular bickfest, this dialogue is terminated

Ha! Sure, scurry away then.

[CookinFlat6]

Please refrain from 'sore loser' comments, accept the termination of that dialogue or I shall be forced to boycott all further discussions

[darwin dali]

If we could only be that lucky

[overboost]

I'm going to spout an unpopular opinion here, my 4th driver (Looking at everything, completeness of a driver). But to clarify in my honest opinion there is very little separating the top 5 drivers on the grid, I'd almost put them all as number 1 they are so close in my view.

1) Alonso
2) Ricciardo
3) Bottas
4) Hamilton
5) Button



Edit: if we could include non f1 drivers on the list Dean Stoneman would be pushing out JB

Are you high?

Ranking Riccardo and Bottas above Hamilton and Button...

Firstly you need a few years before ranking Bottas but I do agree Bottas has potential.

Secondly Riccardo needs one our two years more especially in a top car to judge him, however based on the spanking he gave Vettel I agree he will be up with the top 2

I'm forming my views based on the junior catagories that Bottas and Ricciardo was in too, but let me defend my opinion here.

Hamilton is lower because he is the fastest driver by a small margin than anyone else on the grid, but only when he is in the right mindset, this isn't a mental weakness thing but we all know Lewis is very open emotionally and it shows in his times sometimes, on his day (And there have been a lot) he is unbeatable but there are times when he just seems a tad lackluster; even on these lackluster days he can be fighting for wins but he's not as blindingly fast as he can be.

Bottas was able to impress in 2013 in a car that was frankly crap, his junior performances were brilliant too, but the thing is whilst he may not have Hammy's raw speed his is a more consistent entity, same with Ricciardo although I feel he has a bit more race craft than Bottas.

I agree with you it is close at the top and that Bottas and Ricciardo are indeed talented drivers, both showing great promise. Ricciardo especially - arriving at a top team and creating a stir at Red Bull perhaps larger than that of Hamilton at McLaren in 2007. Autosport had him as top rated and even Alonso describes him as 'unbelievable'.

Looking at Hamilton, he hasn't been top rated by the Team Principals since 2008 mainly hovering between third and fourth place if that survey is to be used as an indicator. He didn't do anything really spectacular in 2014 to be suddenly at the top of the TP's list imo and I would think his poor qualifying form that was exposed by Rosberg is a detractor. I think his fortunes were boosted in 2014 mainly because or Raikkonen's and Vettel's misfortunes more than anything else and of course by that 'in a class of its own' championship winning Mercedes. An extra 2 secs per lap will help anyone look better making him a bit overrated perhaps!

So imo your not far off! I would just swap Alo and Ricc and Ham with Bottas.

[CookinFlat6]

If we could only be that lucky

I saw what you did there