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By spankyham
#416573
Scared of the big bad Ferrari team's inevitable comeback. :rofl:
By CookinFlat6
#416576
A very good thing, if this, or something close to it happens. But it needs to be hand in hand with totally liberating the rules and creativity within F1.

My dream come true ..... Naturally first thing, Ferrari takes their one chance in Feb 15 and homologates a competitive engine. Next, Nando stays, Kimi goes, Lewis and Dan come to the party. and the loons all follow some other driver


Perhaps we need to have separate threads for real life F1 and dreamland or lalaland F1

could save a lot of misunderstanding


:hehe: Could lump Ted "2014 engines got no spark plugs" in there too.


Beside 'fossil fuels are cheap and renewable food for ICE, so hybrids are a scam' Ted Crevice would look like an engineering giant who completed high school

edit; and before my post is censored or before any beano comic morality enforcers start to protest - Ted is not an F1 driver or team personel :hooli-popcorn:
By CookinFlat6
#416581
Back to realistic outcomes if 3 teams drop out and bernie only has till the end of the season to prop up numbers - the top teams would pick a third but the regulations would likely insist that driver is a rookie or GP2 driver and most likely they would have a seperate scoring criteria - such as only 2 drivers continue to count towards the WCC.

On the other hand if the top teams had 3 drivers able to win the WDC, it wouldnt make much difference to the other teams as they ware not going to win anyway. So it would have to be the WCC that remains like it is.

just my opinion based on actual facts
By Hammer278
#416655
3 car teams sound pretty good to me. The 3rd driver could be an extra element, say 'not more than 3 years experience' so it's a testbed for F1 drivers. Points scored by these drivers are different, let's say the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 system, so if they are outstanding they get rewarded based on their own criteria. The 3rd car for each team gets a different/obvious makeover to distinguish these cars. So it's akin to 2 tiers running in the same race, only with equal performance cars.

This would give rise to a lot more on track politics though since teams are in control of a driver who is almost an 'expendable'. However, their points would also contribute to the WCC so they can't thrash them about. The 3rd driver gets exposure in F1, and if he can't cut it within 2 years he leaves the sport....if he can, he graduates to the first tier seat....or moves to another 3rd car of a different team. So in a way, we're keeping it somewhat the same as today but introducing a whole new element with the 3rd car which helps up and coming talents, and maybe also helps the lesser teams use the 3rd car (which won't score anyway) as a test bed during races to try and catch up to further midpack.
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By F2004
#416708
Maybe it can work but only if they need to make up for lost teams I think.
#418450
Salient points made here by Vijay Mallya.

ESPNF1 Force India's Vijay Mallya says the prospect of a grid made up of three-car teams in 2015 exposes the "irrational" way F1's revenues are unequally shared between its teams.

Five of Formula One's 11 teams - Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and Williams - took 63% of the sport's underlying revenues in 2013.
This means there was just 37% to share between six teams, only one of which (Lotus) sits on the F1 Strategy Group - giving that group little democratic input in the body which frames regulations.


Rules stipulate that if 20 teams cannot make up the grid - which will happen if two teams fold this winter - then the remaining teams can be forced to run an extra car to make up the numbers. In the build up to Singapore Bernie Ecclestone said he would rather see a Ferrari with three cars than a grid with struggling smaller teams.

Force India has been very competitive on a limited budget this year and Mallya believes there is a more simple solution to fixing the financial state of the grid.

"I know that it's been talked about at every race, talked about at every opportunity in the Formula One paddock about whether certain teams will survive or not," Mallya said. "Why is there this uncertainty? The uncertainty is because of this imbalance and certain irrationality about how revenues are shared.

"The big teams take a major slice and the smaller teams get less as a result. That is what is adding to all this speculation. The best way of doing it is to make a more rational Formula which gives everyone a chance to not just survive but compete and make Formula One even more interesting."

"We were going to demand compensation to build a third car, we're not going to do it for free. I'm sure the commercial rights holder realises that, he's got to make economically viable. But then, this year you see both the Mercedes ahead of everybody else. In the last few years we had Red Bulls in front of everyone else - so now you want the entire podium to be occupied by one team. It doesn't make too much sense does it?

"I can't comment on the other teams, whether they can survive or not. The situation will only arise if someone else departs. The situation otherwise cannot be enforced on anybody."

Mallya says F1 has always been about the smaller teams on the grid just as much as the teams which dominate the sport.

"The DNA of Formula One - you read books, you see films, see the days of Jack Brabham or the old McLaren or when Bernie owned a team, Williams when Frank was running the team - these are stories that give you goosebumps. They are so exciting, it's the evolution of Formula One. Now it's not a question of technological development. One constant question up and down this paddock is who will survive and who will not.

"I have never said and talked about rational revenue sharing ensuring competitiveness. But I can't afford to talk about that myself - I spend half the money and I'm still racing McLaren. Williams spends half the money and is in front of Ferrari. So I have never gone down that path of trying to tell people that Formula One's revenue sharing should make teams competitive.

"But this constant question of survivability, then the follow-on questions about three-cars etc could be eliminated once and for all - it's not good for the sport. The DNA of the sport has always had your works teams and had your private team. I don't know of any private team that has outspent a works team for the last 40 years."
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By Jabberwocky
#418452
I personally would prefer to see smaller teams running big teams could of years old chassis than 3 car teams. However if it is 3 car teams how much extra would that cost a team to field a 3rd chassis? I would also like to see rules in place of who the 3rd driver can be. Eg a driver with less than 20 gp starts .

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#418453
I agree, more teams is by far preferred IMO. When you look at that statistic that 5 teams took 63% of the profit, it sort of deflates the argument that you hear over and over again, that you shouldn't compete if you don't have the budget. What's being distributed is the % of the F1 show, not prize money for winning races etc.

Then we complain when the back marker teams don't make progress. :rolleyes:
#418460
Segregate the revenues from the prizes. You should reward teams that win, but reward them from a prize money pool, not from splitting TV and commercial rights revenues in a completely unfair way. Teams that are popular are already making more money from chatzkies and ridiculously overpriced gear, so they already have a revenue advantage there.

We always talk about innovation, well the best way to get diversity and innovation is to have many teams not teams with more cars. :banghead:
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By sagi58
#418477
Segregate the revenues from the prizes. You should reward teams that win, but reward them from a prize money pool, not from splitting TV and commercial rights revenues in a completely unfair way...


It's true, winning teams should get an incentive; but, not to the point of financially crippling teams that don't win.

How's this:

All the monies go into a pot, 80% of that money is divided up EQUALLY amongst ALL teams!

The remaining 20% can be divided based on the top five final positions,
e.g., WDC team gets 8%, Runner up gets 6%, Third place team gets 3%,
Fourth gets 2%, and Fifth gets 1%.
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By darwin dali
#418478
Segregate the revenues from the prizes. You should reward teams that win, but reward them from a prize money pool, not from splitting TV and commercial rights revenues in a completely unfair way...


It's true, winning teams should get an incentive; but, not to the point of financially crippling teams that don't win.

How's this:

All the monies go into a pot, 80% of that money is divided up EQUALLY amongst ALL teams!

The remaining 20% can be divided based on the top five final positions,
e.g., WDC team gets 8%, Runner up gets 6%, Third place team gets 3%,
Fourth gets 2%, and Fifth gets 1%.

How about 50% are divided equally, and 50% based on top 10 final positions?

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