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[racechick]

It's unbelievable to me that one team can have such favoured conditions over the other teams. Vetoes for this, vetoes for that more money than anyone else given to them. But I've done with getting bothered about it anyway. The ridiculous fine on McLaren when a disenchanted rogue Ferrari employee decided to give secrets away was laughable.

But I'm ok now. my mans beating them even with all their favours.

GO LEWIS!!!

[sagi58]

...The ridiculous fine on McLaren when a disenchanted rogue Ferrari employee decided to give secrets away was laughable...

Laughable is one way of looking at it, albeit a bit simplistic.

Considering all the damned politics involved in F1, REGARDLESS of what team we're discussing should
be enough to make it glaringly obvious that there was more going on in the Spygate affair!!

Let's face it, we're little more than paying pawns in the big scheme of things where F1 is concerned, and
we're fed information on a need to know basis. Perfect example would be Ecclestone "letting it slip" that
Ferrari has the potential to veto his successor, after he suggests Horner might be a good candidate!!

I mean, really? Does anyone actually believe it was a coincidence?

[sagi58]

Difference being Redbull do all their talking with their CAR on the track, typical Italian/Ferrari mentality is to use politics off the track. A very ugly way to win.

IMHO part from the bolded bit, this is the best summary of what the sport has been experiencing till now.

Completely agree with you on this point!! And, Ferrari is NOT the only team on the grid that is political!!
You can start from teams employing pay drivers, to Pirelli choosing tires, to Red Bull insisting and being
granted that Pirelli revert to last year's tires, to stewards giving/not giving penalties, to the media's slant
on everything that's reported and that includes the announcers, each and every one of them.


Politics, politics, politics!!

[spankyham]

It's unbelievable to me that one team can have such favoured conditions over the other teams. Vetoes for this, vetoes for that more money than anyone else given to them. But I've done with getting bothered about it anyway. The ridiculous fine on McLaren when a disenchanted rogue Ferrari employee decided to give secrets away was laughable.

But I'm ok now. my mans beating them even with all their favours.

GO LEWIS!!!

Needless to say we don't see eye to eye on the stuff stolen from Ferrari and used by McLaren. You think the punishment was too much, I think it was too little.... but its far enough in the past to be put aside.

As for winning, the only team to get the congrats over the past few years is Red Bull, they've done the car, the drivers and the politics of F1 better than any other team and deserve the rewards.

....... but next year, I'm hoping my team can do better in every department and beat everyone

[operaman]

No matter how you try to spin it, giving one team advantages like this is completely bogus in sport. But Luca is a politician after all, and if the board room is the only place Ferrari are capable of winning I imagine these underhanded deals make him feel like a real winner. Too bad about his race team.

[sagi58]

[operaman]

I suppose winning through subterfuge is okay for some. For me it would dampen the celebration. Its kinda like having 2 thugs holding your opponent while you beat the crap out of him, or perhaps taking a limited yield nuclear device to a knife fight. None-the-less I will be happy if either Kimi, or Fernando have successful seasons.

[racechick]

It's unbelievable to me that one team can have such favoured conditions over the other teams. Vetoes for this, vetoes for that more money than anyone else given to them. But I've done with getting bothered about it anyway. The ridiculous fine on McLaren when a disenchanted rogue Ferrari employee decided to give secrets away was laughable.

But I'm ok now. my mans beating them even with all their favours.

GO LEWIS!!!

Needless to say we don't see eye to eye on the stuff stolen from Ferrari and used by McLaren. You think the punishment was too much, I think it was too little.... but its far enough in the past to be put aside.

As for winning, the only team to get the congrats over the past few years is Red Bull, they've done the car, the drivers and the politics of F1 better than any other team and deserve the rewards.

....... but next year, I'm hoping my team can do better in every department and beat everyone

Given, not stolen, and not used. But worse than the too muchness of the fine was the fact that other teams up and down the put lane had technical stuff from other teams that they WERE using and nothing was done (I might have the names wrong but I think Renault had McLaren stuff and Spyker had someone's) so it's the good old FIA double standards I objected to more than the severity.
Anyway, as you say, it's over, Ferrari got what they wanted , it's in the past now, damage done, Ron gone, McLaren weakened, it's onwards to next year now . And I'm hoping Lewis bests everyone and if Ross goes to McLaren they might not be so weak anymore

[sagi58]

Again... we are not privy to what actually happened and who got what from whom!!
As for the other teams on the grid, there is obviously some difference between what
they had and what McLaren was found to have.
Again... for Ron Dennis to have stepped down, something was definitely going on that
we aren't privy to.
Maybe one day, good old Ecclestone will let that slip, eh??

[sagi58]

I suppose winning through subterfuge is okay for some. For me it would dampen the celebration. Its kinda like having 2 thugs holding your opponent while you beat the crap out of him, or perhaps taking a limited yield nuclear device to a knife fight. None-the-less I will be happy if either Kimi, or Fernando have successful seasons.

Subterfuge? I'm going to assume you're referring to Red Bull!!
And, yes, here's to hoping Kimi and Alonso have a great season!!

[operaman]

I suppose winning through subterfuge is okay for some. For me it would dampen the celebration. Its kinda like having 2 thugs holding your opponent while you beat the crap out of him, or perhaps taking a limited yield nuclear device to a knife fight. None-the-less I will be happy if either Kimi, or Fernando have successful seasons.

Subterfuge? I'm going to assume you're referring to Red Bull!!
And, yes, here's to hoping Kimi and Alonso have a great season!!

Certainly the political interference in the sport does not apply to Ferrari alone. The Scuderia through Luca, are just it's most voluminous exponents, with little to show for it in recent years.

[sagi58]

Certainly the political interference in the sport does not apply to Ferrari alone. The Scuderia through Luca, are just it's most voluminous exponents...

That and the fact that so many F1 fans love to hate Ferrari!!
So much so that they are willing to kick them when they're down,
something that I find completely irksome and childish!!
Those fans may as well be singing: !!
Which brings us full circle to my:

[CookinFlat6]

Those fans may as well be singing: !!
Which brings us full circle to my:

But Ferrari havent laughed much in the last decade. They definetely havent been laughing last. After last season they were trying to get Seb deducted points for a technicality AFTER the season ended. Wasnt even grinning and bearing it. Maybe best to wait till they are actually laughing again before seeing how long it lasts

And in other news Damon Hill was spotted leaving a bunga bunga party in the early hours of the morning

Former World Champion Damon Hill believes the extra power that Ferrari carry in Formula One is "fair enough" due to their longevity.

It is no secret that the Italian stable receives more prize money than other teams while its president Luca di Montezemolo also revealed in recent days that they hold veto power in terms of Bernie Ecclestone's successor.

While Ecclestone is keen to see Red Bull team principal Christian Horner replace him in the future, Di Montezemolo believes it is unlikely to happen.

Many feel it is unfair to have one team with so much power, but Hill accepts the reasoning behind it.

"Ferrari has always been an exception in this sport and there may be good reason for that," Hill told CNN.

"Personally, I don't see how you can have a free sport where one competitor has got a special status but there seems to be some sound marketing reason. Teams that have had longer commitment to the sport have got a greater say in the sport and that is fair enough.

"That is the power Ferrari has always had over the sport."

[sagi58]

But Ferrari havent laughed much in the last decade. They definetely havent been laughing last.

I didn't realize that this was the last season?

[CookinFlat6]

But Ferrari havent laughed much in the last decade. They definetely havent been laughing last.

I didn't realize that this was the last season?

Fact - It is until another season starts