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[racechick]

Not an issue per se, you know I didnt mean that...an issue with lewis , as in you're not keen.
I'm aware of people putting in good drives on the back of very sad personal events. But those events are out of their hands, so its easier to categorise it, close the mind and do the job, in fact it can act as a salve for the hurt. When you have personal issues in your life that you should be in control of,and its not working out, thats different, and its not just a case of not thinking of it for the race, it affects your whole way of being, its in your head all the time and it causes depression. Depression and grief are very different.

[geetface9]

Depression and grief are very different.

[What's Burning?]

At least he didn't retire from the sport or become despondent enough to quit, just reset and come back stronger. That's the whole point of this thread, that he's managed to correct the weaknesses of the points he was criticized on last year and that's the mark of growth, and dare I say maturity?

It seems as if it's so far working out for him both on and off the track.

[scotty]

Not an issue per se, you know I didnt mean that...an issue with lewis , as in you're not keen.
I'm aware of people putting in good drives on the back of very sad personal events. But those events are out of their hands, so its easier to categorise it, close the mind and do the job, in fact it can act as a salve for the hurt. When you have personal issues in your life that you should be in control of,and its not working out, thats different, and its not just a case of not thinking of it for the race, it affects your whole way of being, its in your head all the time and it causes depression. Depression and grief are very different.

Yeah, but i would say the same for any driver, so my driver preference is not really relevant. I do hate when people try to claim that against me which is why i sometimes kick off

But as i said before i don't even think it's as complex as that (i did say i don't think the personal stuff would have actually had any effect anyway when the guy is out in the car itself on track racing, because the focus will be on the 23 other guys out there with him), i just think last year, crashes, this year, no crashes and top level consistency so far.

[geetface9]

I agree you have a great point scotty. Look at alonso, got a divorce last year and he's still out there stomping mother $#@!ers and he didn't have a noticeable drop in form

[elfinitty]

I can't decide if is a better driver,he still has the same talent but definetely he is mentally in a different position.But does this make him a better driver?In my opinion,this mental state's up to personality,I've read the posts in this thread Schumacher brothers getting to the podium,Gerard getting a win after the loss of their parents.It shows how strong they are mentally.But being a better driver must be something different,it can consist the mental state too but also many other qualities.(Now,I don't say that Lewis is a better driver than the ones we are talking about).
About Alonso,as I know he cheated on his wife whereas Lewis and Nicole's issue wasn't that.So the grief they get is really different.

We've seen his this year be controlled when need be and push like crazy when needed as well. we saw him attempt to pass Alonso twice before getting to the DRS zone, it was great to see the exuberance as so may other drivers on the grid would have simply waited for the inevitable, but not Lewis, and that's what I like about the guy's driving style, he's always looking for a way.

Exactly,my favorite things about Lewis.

[f1ea]

Ive given the reasons I think he's driving better this year, not excuses. You on the other hand have said "Good driving by Lewis so far" Statin' the bleedin obvious isnt it

"Getting over the Wihtmarsh twaddle" is a reason? So that would mean, last yr he took it badly and couldnt perform to his best because of it? Not only that doesnt convince me, but that assumes there is a twaddle to begin with.... Hmmmm not too happy with your reasons

He did get a lot of crap last yr... The media seems much less focused on him this yr, which is definitely good, i think, for him. Maybe cause there's a lot going on in F1 this season? But we never know what struggles is each driver dealing with... So just because we get some cameras or some reports, doesnt mean a driver is having worse personal issiues than another.

In any case, he's driving much better this yr. Also, it seems he can work much better with the tires. He has not gotten into dumb trouble; like crashes, silly penalties etc. Only pit stuff and team blundies... But shirt happens. Imagine if Mc had made Lewis go for a 1stop like ferrari in canada? That would have given some good conspiracy theorism.....

So yea... Kinda bleedingly obvious but im an engineer. Im square

[racechick]

Ive given the reasons I think he's driving better this year, not excuses. You on the other hand have said "Good driving by Lewis so far" Statin' the bleedin obvious isnt it

"Getting over the Wihtmarsh twaddle" is a reason? So that would mean, last yr he took it badly and couldnt perform to his best because of it? Not only that doesnt convince me, but that assumes there is a twaddle to begin with.... Hmmmm not too happy with your reasons

He did get a lot of crap last yr... The media seems much less focused on him this yr, which is definitely good, i think, for him. Maybe cause there's a lot going on in F1 this season? But we never know what struggles is each driver dealing with... So just because we get some cameras or some reports, doesnt mean a driver is having worse personal issiues than another.

In any case, he's driving much better this yr. Also, it seems he can work much better with the tires. He has not gotten into dumb trouble; like crashes, silly penalties etc. Only pit stuff and team blundies... But shirt happens. Imagine if Mc had made Lewis go for a 1stop like ferrari in canada? That would have given some good conspiracy theorism.....

So yea... Kinda bleedingly obvious but im an engineer. Im square

The Whitmarsh Twaddle was only one of the reasons i gave. I dont think it directly affected his driving but probably added to his frustration ('lets talk about Jenson', 'best drive in history of F1', 'can lead a team lewis is learning', 'very intelligent', 'great with tyres', 'Lewis underestimated him', 'Lewis is destabilised by him') Thats the stuff I call Whitmarsh twaddle. I doubt twaddle is even a word but it seems a good word to describe the stuff Whitmarsh kept saying. And it did irk Lewis because he contradicted a couple of Whitmarshisms saying it wasnt true. Shouldnt really need to do that with your team leader, he should be supporting you.

He got 4 wins last year, so he was still driving well, just involved in too many incidents due to frustration and trying to compensate for the car not being as quick as the red bull.
Anyway.....
You're an engineer!! Then I forgive your bleedin obvious statement What do you engineer?

[jayjay]

He got 4 wins last year, so he was still driving well, just involved in too many incidents due to frustration and trying to compensate for the car not being as quick as the red bull

I think that was his problem last year.

I think he is a better driver this year because he seems to have learnt that if you dont have the car to win, bring it home in the best position possible.
And he clearly still has the same racing ability as he showed this in canada.
What will make him successful is he had that racers edge to start with, the rest can and seems to already of been learned.

[f1ea]

He got 4 wins last year, so he was still driving well, just involved in too many incidents due to frustration and trying to compensate for the car not being as quick as the red bull.

Anyway.....
You're an engineer!! Then I forgive your bleedin obvious statement What do you engineer?

hehe yeah. Civil / Hydraulic engineer... water resources, river structures, hydrodinamic modelling and so on...... fun stuff

The best part about last yr is that everyone kinda went ballistic on Lewis... when it didnt really matter how good he drove. Vettel was gonna kill it anyways

[IheartKimmi]

racechick wrote:
He got 4 wins last year, so he was still driving well, just involved in too many incidents due to frustration and trying to compensate for the car not being as quick as the red bull

Someone else wrote
I think that was his problem last year.

I think he is a better driver this year because he seems to have learnt that if you dont have the car to win, bring it home in the best position possible.
And he clearly still has the same racing ability as he showed this in canada.
What will make him successful is he had that racers edge to start with, the rest can and seems to already of been learned.

Me saying this now.....
I will learn how to quote, but I had to take both of these examples. Racechick never admits that Lewis may have made mistakes and his head was not in the right place, it's always something other than Lewis to blame.

I have to agree with the other posters who say he is an altogether 'more complete' driver, better is such a subjective word. I think he is much more likely to win WDC's now but will we get the same banzai moves from him? Those moves were lauded as perfection when he pulled them off and laughed at when he didn't. Unfortunately, in these corporate days, pure racers are not really allowed and racing is much more than just driving fast, drivers now have to do so much more on track and off track. I really hope that we are seeing a new Lewis, sensible but still ballsy enough to try overtakes.

In hindsight, I think it would have been much better for Lewis to start his F1 career in a lower team, do a year then move to MacLaren. I know he was mentored by Ron Dennis but he could have been test driver for a season at MacLaren then seconded to a mid-range outfit.

Anyway, I really hope he does well this season and although I like Jens a lot and it pains me to say it, Lewis is stomping Jens hard so far this season. My real hope is that both the MacLaren boys do well and they get both Championships

[racechick]

I will learn how to quote, but I had to take both of these examples. Racechick never admits that Lewis may have made mistakes and his head was not in the right place, it's always something other than Lewis to blame.

I do defend Lewis tooth and nail but its not true to say I wont accept his head was in the wrong place last year, it clearly was and Ive been putting forward that very arguement.
Regarding quoting, I also struggle with multiple quotes but have found a couple of ways round it. PM me if you want a lesson from the technophobe on quoting