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[phil12321]

I say we just go solar powered. Would make wet races pretty interesting.

Expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which F1 seems to love!

No seriously though, Hydrogen power is the way forward.

Currently most is made from fossil fuels and when burnt in combustion engines produces other pollutants, to be clean it will have to be made using renewables and run in hydrogen fuel cell electric cars, expensive!!!!!

Haha! Hydrogen appeals more to me rather than solar power though.

Solar seems so last decade, ya know? Solar panels? Nah! It's all about extracting hydrogen and having only water coming out of the tail pipes. How will they blow the diffusers then? At least the rear of the cars will stay clean!

They Could find some way to steam the water coming out of the pipes, hold it in a pressure canister and release it when pressures reach desirable levels. Sort of like the steam locomotive theory only used to blow gasses over a particular component .

[FerrariFan63]

More freedom should be given to the teams to develop fuel saving and energy recovery technology that could filter down to road cars, I couldn't care less how much fuel is actually used in motorsport as it's a drop in the ocean compared to comercial transport and energy but the savings worldwide could be significant. That is why I'd like to see a fuel limit per race with complete freedom on the engine perhaps with some benefit or incentive to anyone who contributes to road going tech. To me that would be green.

If they want to be ecologically friendly, then they should covert to a renewable fuel. With alcohol probably being the easiest option at the moment.

Then they could limit the amount of fuel used per race, as they do in MotoGP. That would force engine development to find efficiency gains, rather than just figure out how to burn more fuel. It would also help even the field in terms of engine power as it's harder to find efficiency gains compared to how to get more fuel in and burnt.

[calvins48]

More freedom should be given to the teams to develop fuel saving and energy recovery technology that could filter down to road cars, I couldn't care less how much fuel is actually used in motorsport as it's a drop in the ocean compared to comercial transport and energy but the savings worldwide could be significant. That is why I'd like to see a fuel limit per race with complete freedom on the engine perhaps with some benefit or incentive to anyone who contributes to road going tech. To me that would be green.

If they want to be ecologically friendly, then they should covert to a renewable fuel. With alcohol probably being the easiest option at the moment.

Then they could limit the amount of fuel used per race, as they do in MotoGP. That would force engine development to find efficiency gains, rather than just figure out how to burn more fuel. It would also help even the field in terms of engine power as it's harder to find efficiency gains compared to how to get more fuel in and burnt.

More about efficiency, less about "eco friendly".

[texasmr2]

We have a fine line between engine cost and engine longevity. Anyone with any engine knowledge should know that the higher the rpm the more strain is put on an engines "life span". With forced induction and a set maximum boost and rpm the cost and engine life aswell as rebuild cost is reduced.

[scotty]

Latest:

McLaren team boss and outgoing Formula One Teams' Association chairman Martin Whitmarsh says retaining Formula 1's current V8 engines alongside the 2014 V6 turbos in an equivalency formula would be an 'unattractive' option for the sport.

F1 will switch to new generation engines after next season, but there have been concerns that there might not be enough of the new V6s to supply the whole field, or that the costs will be too great for smaller teams.

AUTOSPORT understands that there have been tentative discussions about the possibility of allowing teams to continue using V8s as a back-up option, but this has so far found little favour - and Whitmarsh played it down.

"It's feasible," he said. "I don't think it's an attractive thing to do, personally. Equivalence formulas, we have had it before, we had it in '88, we had turbos and normally aspirateds when we were coming the other way. It wasn't such a bad memory for McLaren, but it wasn't an attractive formula."

Whitmarsh underlined that if V8s were kept on, the rules would have to be balanced in the V6s' favour.

"I think you'd have to arrange, if you did it, such that the new turbo engines have advantage over normally aspirated, so you're creating a two-tier championship, which is I think not an attractive thing to have," he said.

When F1 last changed engine regulations in 2006, Toro Rosso was given a temporary dispensation to continue running restricted versions of the previous V10 engines as the rest of the field switched to the new V8s.

I actually think this would have been pretty neat. It would have actually given some variables in the engines. Although by the same token it would have been pretty stupid for some manufacturers to be providing both a V6 and an obselete V8.

F1 needs new engine builders in before it's too late. The sport is way too far up it's own arse on things like this. Surely they must realise that if Renault or Mercedes suddenly pull out, they'd be in a lot of trouble!

[What's Burning?]

Who would be a supplier of engines? The prospect is very difficult for a pure engine builder to come in and the costs may not be readily palatable from an ROI standpoint for a global manufacturer.

Besides a name in the VAG realm, who? Toyota perhaps would benefit but they've seemingly committed themselves to sports car series. Honda is in bed with Indy, and that leaves only BMW.

[scotty]

Exactly. But BMW have moved on to other programmes in sportscars and DTM so perhaps even they are a no go. Don't forget we have lost PURE already, 18 months before these engines come in, cause the money ran out for them. That leaves only 3 in my view, cause i can't see Cosworth bothering. Toyota won't be back because the Le Mans rules allows them to develop hybrid systems without restriction (i think F1 should have gone down the derestricted KERS path too).

And if one of those 3 left (which is not unrealistic), F1 is almost a spec engine series, which isn't good enough for the 'pinnacle' of motorsport. I actually find this situation somewhat alarming, and i just hope that someone high up the chain, preferably Bernie, finds it similarly alarming and does something to get another 4th supplier in.

McLaren is the only truly realistic prospect in my view, and i think it would be very good for the sport if they did make the move. They have the resources, expertise, F1 history, everything.

[darwin dali]

Exactly. But BMW have moved on to other programmes in sportscars and DTM so perhaps even they are a no go. Don't forget we have lost PURE already, 18 months before these engines come in, cause the money ran out for them. That leaves only 3 in my view, cause i can't see Cosworth bothering. Toyota won't be back because the Le Mans rules allows them to develop hybrid systems without restriction (i think F1 should have gone down the derestricted KERS path too).

And if one of those 3 left (which is not unrealistic), F1 is almost a spec engine series, which isn't good enough for the 'pinnacle' of motorsport. I actually find this situation somewhat alarming, and i just hope that someone high up the chain, preferably Bernie, finds it similarly alarming and does something to get another 4th supplier in.

McLaren is the only truly realistic prospect in my view, and i think it would be very good for the sport if they did make the move. They have the resources, expertise, F1 history, everything.

F1 for a long time (heydays actually) used to be an (almost) spec series as regards to the engines: Ferrari engines for the Scuderia, Cosworth for everybody else - remember?

[scotty]

Even in the 50's and 60's you had more than 3 engine suppliers with the likes of Coventry Climax, Matra, Maserati, Alfa, Repco, and teams like Vanwall and BRM made their own engines....

I don't think the DFV is comparable, that was ultra popular cause it was a brilliant engine and so became widely used by choice. In think this would be different, where people only use whichever engine more or less cause they have no other option. Although it may not come to that, hopefully.

[Scooter185]

I'm hoping that the US F1 races are popular enough to draw Chevy or Ford back in. With IICS engines also being v6 turbos (though the other specs are different) I don't think it would be too big of a leap for the gold bowtie

[darwin dali]

I'm hoping that the US F1 races are popular enough to draw Chevy or Ford back in. With IICS engines also being v6 turbos (though the other specs are different) I don't think it would be too big of a leap for the gold bowtie

It's actually a stylized Swiss cross in honor of the founder Mr. Chevrolet who was Swiss.

[What's Burning?]

I'm hoping that the US F1 races are popular enough to draw Chevy or Ford back in. With IICS engines also being v6 turbos (though the other specs are different) I don't think it would be too big of a leap for the gold bowtie

It's actually a stylized Swiss cross in honor of the founder Mr. Chevrolet who was Swiss.

How many Chevy owners know that fact?

I think Chevy is firmly ensconsed in Grand Am and Le Mans right now... Ford being the most global of the US builders would be the most to benefit, but at this point, I don't think that's happening soon. Let's see what happens with the GPs stateside first.

[Scooter185]

Looks like 2014 is going to be a great year for racing. With the GA and ALMS merger happening and new engine specs for f1 and LM. Depending on what classes GALMS keeps, it's possible that like at LM24, f1 engines could be allowed in prototypes here in the US. This could be a great opportunity to get more factory efforts in both f1 and the prototype fields, and possibly private teams picking up f1 engines for their lmp2 cars. Now if IndyCar would match their specs to f1 engines we'd have pretty much a "world engine" compatible with some of the best racing series in the world.

[cheekybru]

More freedom should be given to the teams to develop fuel saving and energy recovery technology that could filter down to road cars, I couldn't care less how much fuel is actually used in motorsport as it's a drop in the ocean compared to comercial transport and energy but the savings worldwide could be significant. That is why I'd like to see a fuel limit per race with complete freedom on the engine perhaps with some benefit or incentive to anyone who contributes to road going tech. To me that would be green.

If they want to be ecologically friendly, then they should covert to a renewable fuel. With alcohol probably being the easiest option at the moment.
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Kimi would never overtake anyone then hed just sit behind them in the fumes

[scotty]

The FIA has agreed to delay the introduction of a rule that will force cars to run under electrical power only in the pitlane from the start of 2014.

The requirement was aimed at showcasing the use of electric power in F1 as the sport shifts to more environmentally friendly technology.

Article 5.19 of the 2014 Technical Regulations states: "The car must be run in electric mode (no ignition and no fuel supply to the engine) at all times when being driven in the pitlane."

However, sources have revealed that engine manufacturers Mercedes, Renault and Ferrari all wrote to the governing body recently to ask for the rule to be postponed.

It is understood that they were concerned about both the costs of developing bespoke electrical systems just for use in the pitlane, as well as safety concerns about having fast cars rushing through a pit lane without a loud engine noise to warn working personnel of their presence.

FIA president Jean Todt has confirmed that he has agreed to delay the implementation of that electric mode requirement, with a change to the rules expected to be ratified at the next meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council later this year.

Speaking to AUTOSPORT, Todt said: "I have accepted to delay it. It has to go through the World Council, but it will be delayed for around three years."

I wonder what the political BS behind this actually is. Toyota are doing fine with the system in their LMP car