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[bud]

haha i laugh at fools like you demure LAUGH youre all jokes with no friggen idea.

go look up emotion and passion and go look up what it takes to win. tell me if you can win without emotion or passion then come back and ill let you talk out of your anus!

i saw alot of emotion at the end of the race i saw alot of passion in the team in getting a race winning car, they let their drivers race unlike a passionate team like ferrari do, youre a sausage if you think they have none. and Passion comes in different forms, stop using ferrari's occult fanatical passion as a basis

sheep

[Boxofwonders]

i actually went to sleep after FAs last stop, and RD really wound me up.

I fell asleep too. The race went until 2 in the morning and nothing much was happening. Fell asleep when Hamilton couldn't pass Alonso, Massa was about half a minute behind and Heidfeld was about a minute behind Fisi. Woke up just as the scoreboard came up at the end.

[darwin dali]

bud, if your idea of passion is RD's sour face on the podium, you have a sick twisted mind and can't be helped anymore. McLaren is an as sterile and robotic team as it gets. And you? I'm not even sure whether you're not some sort of clone or android let loose by RD to diss everything other than McLaren and preach the mantra that McLaren can't do any wrong:
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare.
At the least you appear to be a brainwashed McLaren sheep

[deMuRe]

bud, if your idea of passion is RD's sour face on the podium, you have a sick twisted mind and can't be helped anymore. McLaren is an as sterile and robotic team as it gets. And you? I'm not even sure whether you're not some sort of clone or android let loose by RD to diss everything other than McLaren and preach the mantra that McLaren can't do any wrong:
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama Hare Hare.
At the least you appear to be a brainwashed McLaren sheep

Haha, when I was reading bud's email the first thing that popped into my head was Ron Dennis' sour face on the podium...

I'm not a Ferrari fanatic, however I love the emotion and passion that's shown by the team and it's supporters when they do well, it's what makes F1 special if you ask me...

[7UpJordan]

They really do need to get rid of all these stupid extra aerodymanic parts plastered all over the cars, that's what's preventing overtaking. Roll on next year when slicks are back too.

[Evaneoun]

I enjoyed it atleast the mclaren boys raced each other, boring was when Schumi was racing with Rubens.

think some of you just have sour grapes

Hmm, not sour grapes really. I admit I was a Schumacher fan and since he's retired I haven't really supported anyone in particular but that kinda makes me a neutral and I just want to see an exciting race. So far this season, there hasn't been one. If it weren't for pit stop strategies there wouldn't have been any overtaking in Monaco at all and shouldn't F1 be more about racing than strategy?

hmm, not that it would happen but banning pit stops would be interesting. Make the cars have to go the whole race on one fuel load, on one set of tyres and then they'd have to overtake on track. Make it pure racing.

[bud]

so DD and demure you judge a WHOLE f***ing team on one man? compare that to Montezelmo or todt what do they do? todt hugs his drivers ive seen dennis do that. FFS get over it you both have NOTHING you talk NOTHING and quite frankly you are NOTHING but a couple of net nerds who know NOTHING

dd nice speech about me being some clone, very clever of you where do you come up with this stuff? watching starwars or while jerking off to schumachers metro sexual wardrobe?

[certom]

i don't know what has already been said, but i give my view...

1- they pay him 40 millions a year and he's not able tu use that black rectangular thing covered of buttons and lights called steering wheel

2- although massa has given all he got, it's unacceptable that he takes 69 seconds from the first two, although the track was of that kind, although the story of the longer wheelbase of the Ferrari...

3- they should wake up, since the second race i have never thought that Ferrari has so much advantage over the mclaren, but the press still say so...

[johnbull]

How many Monaco GPs have you guys seen.

Modern day F1 cars can't even overtake at tracks like Monza, let alone along the alleyways of Monaco.

It's the system that's wrong.

Even if LH was given a free hand to "go for it" he could never have hoped to overtake FA at Monaco. There just wasn't the space, especially with them both driving cars of equal performance.

So RD's influence could only have mattered in the pits. Granted that LH being called in early wrecked any hope he had of hauling in Nando, but Ron's explanation makes alot of sense, and Ron's prime preoccupation is the team.

I wish the FIA would stick to doing it's own thing and let the people that know decide what's good for motorsport.

Jackie Stewart to head the FIA any day.

[darwin dali]

No, passing is quite possible in Monaco as demonstrated by the likes of MS or AS. Anyway, you forget what pressure from behind can do to the leading driver. He may well have made a little mistake in one of the corners, which would have opened the door for LH to pass. Also, with the rules stating you can't change your line more than once to defend your position, FA could have seen himself getting passed on the not so straight straight. And if he had tried to change sides more than once, the stewards would have probably given him the blue flags.

[johnbull]

Also, with the rules stating you can't change your line more than once to defend your position, FA could have seen himself getting passed on the not so straight straight. And if he had tried to change sides more than once, the stewards would have probably given him the blue flags.

Another daft Max rule!

[welshie]

I personally think that even without team orders LH wouldn't have passed Alonso on the track, the cars are too similar and Lewis isn't stupid enough to wreck both cars. But I do think he would have passed during the pits if he was pushing even a little bit.

And yes MS did overtake at Monaco but his car was supremely fast when he came from the back, for cars of identical performance it's impossible

[bud]

its hilarious that the lack of overtaking is SUCH a big issue in F1 now days that people can even talk about the lack of it or lack of supposid oppertunity of it at Monaco of all places.

the mclaren boys raced up until the last stops. the pace that lewis and fernando were doing prove that, having to match each other. Lewis would have won if there was even ONE safety car which isnt a bad strategy to have at monaco, this is all just a british backlash and if mclaren get penalised for "team orders" then this is the biggest joke to come out of f1 in years.! not even ferrari have been penalised for team orders for gods sake. they did invent the rule from them though, jerks!

[darwin dali]

The Telegraph:

The sanctions available to the FIA if McLaren are deemed guilty range from expulsion from the championship to points deductions and fines. The most likely outcome at this stage is a referral to the World Council.
McLaren will argue that Monaco was different because it did not try to manipulate an outcome that otherwise might not have occurred. Alonso was leading, had track position, and quite probably would have won anyway. The decision was taken in the best interests of the team.

The FIA's concern is with the best interests of the sport, however, and in particular with Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, which spells out that an infringement would be "any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally".

In principle, the fact that Hamilton was denied the chance to pursue victory prejudiced the nature of the competition. But McLaren will plead that the special nature of Monaco, where overtaking is almost impossible, must be taken into account.



I figure it'll be a slap on their wrist (if that) and they get a 10 grid position penalty for the next race plus a fine.

Who gets that money anyway? All the fines (pitlane speeding, other infringements) amount to quite some dough over a season. What happens to that? Will it be distributed among the teams? Go into sponsorship of young talents? Or what? Anybody knows?

[darwin dali]

if mclaren get penalised for "team orders" then this is the biggest joke to come out of f1 in years.! not even ferrari have been penalised for team orders for gods sake. they did invent the rule from them though, jerks!

Well, I think the FIA has to walk a fine line here. It's the first time this regulation in this context is being ruled on (I believe), so it'll set a precedence which Ferrari - especially - will pay close attention to.
If nothing comes of it, then the floodgates might be opened again for all kinds of team orders, uh, strategies and teams could always come back to this ruling to justify their 'strategy'. If the consequences (in case they're found guilty of infringement) are too mild, say a fine and maybe a demotion in grid position for the next race, teams could potentially start weighing the pros and cons and go for it.
If however, the hammer comes down (relatively) hard on McLaren and/or drivers, it could potentially solve this once and for all. Especially with MS gone and no single driver having an absolute number one status in a team anymore.
We'll see what happens.

Maybe they should create a rule that says: no number one status can be assigned to any driver until the twelfth race is completed. After that each team may declare a number one status for the driver with the best chance to win the drivers championship.