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GC? Whats that? Edit General Classification, right.

Yeap, General Classification, basically this list after the end of each race... sorry for the length everyone but I wanted to show it in its entirety to also illustrate the time gaps between "clusters" so right now the last guy in the race it 19 minutes 8 seconds behigh Thor Hushovd. But he may have come in 80th in the first stage, 9th in the second stage and had a bad day on the third stage today and fell and came in 179th... the total time it's taken him to complete the race length to day it tallied and compared against the shortest time (leader) to come up with the GC place results. So you can see how a sprinter can do horrible in the mountain stages, falling behind 3 hours by tour's end, yet still win 4or 5 stages and win the green jersey.

1 Thor Hushovd (Nor) Team Garmin-Cervelo 9:46:46
2 David Millar (GBr) Team Garmin-Cervelo
3 Cadel Evans (Aus) BMC Racing Team 0:00:01
4 Geraint Thomas (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:04
5 Linus Gerdemann (Ger) Leopard Trek
6 Edvald Boasson Hagen (Nor) Sky Procycling
7 Fränk Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek
8 Andy Schleck (Lux) Leopard Trek
9 Jakob Fuglsang (Den) Leopard Trek
10 Bradley Wiggins (GBr) Sky Procycling
11 Manuel Quinziato (Ita) BMC Racing Team
12 Fabian Cancellara (Swi) Leopard Trek
13 George Hincapie (USA) BMC Racing Team
14 Tony Martin (Ger) HTC-Highroad 0:00:05
15 Peter Velits (Svk) HTC-Highroad
16 Tejay Van Garderen (USA) HTC-Highroad
17 Mark Cavendish (GBr) HTC-Highroad
18 Matthew Harley Goss (Aus) HTC-Highroad
19 Andreas Klöden (Ger) Team RadioShack 0:00:10
20 Christopher Horner (USA) Team RadioShack
21 Janez Brajkovic (Slo) Team RadioShack
22 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Team RadioShack
23 Ben Swift (GBr) Sky Procycling 0:00:11
24 Robert Gesink (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:00:12
25 Yaroslav Popovych (Ukr) Team RadioShack 0:00:23
26 Dmitriy Fofonov (Kaz) Pro Team Astana 0:00:32
27 Alexandre Vinokourov (Kaz) Pro Team Astana
28 Carlos Barredo Llamazales (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team
29 Philippe Gilbert (Bel) Omega censored 0:00:33
30 Jurgen Van Den Broeck (Bel) Omega censored 0:00:39
31 Jurgen Roelandts (Bel) Omega censored
32 André Greipel (Ger) Omega censored
33 Sebastian Lang (Ger) Omega censored
34 Marcel Sieberg (Ger) Omega censored
35 Gianni Meersman (Bel) FDJ 0:00:46
36 William Bonnet (Fra) FDJ
37 Cyril Gautier (Fra) Team Europcar 0:00:50
38 Sébastien Turgot (Fra) Team Europcar
39 Thomas Voeckler (Fra) Team Europcar
40 Nicolas Roche (Irl) AG2R La Mondiale 0:00:53
41 Kevin De Weert (Bel) Quickstep Cycling Team 0:00:56
42 Sylvain Chavanel (Fra) Quickstep Cycling Team
43 Jérôme Pineau (Fra) Quickstep Cycling Team
44 Tom Boonen (Bel) Quickstep Cycling Team
45 Maciej Paterski (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:00:57
46 Ivan Basso (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale
47 Ramunas Navardauskas (Ltu) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:01:01
48 Laurent Mangel (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:01:02
49 Jérémie Galland (Fra) Saur - Sojasun
50 Damiano Cunego (Ita) Lampre - ISD 0:01:04
51 Vladimir Gusev (Rus) Katusha Team
52 Grega Bole (Slo) Lampre - ISD
53 Egor Silin (Rus) Katusha Team
54 Vladimir Karpets (Rus) Katusha Team
55 Danilo Hondo (Ger) Lampre - ISD
56 Jose Joaquin Rojas Gil (Spa) Movistar Team 0:01:09
57 Ryder Hesjedal (Can) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:01:14
58 Romain Feillu (Fra) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:01:15
59 Leonardo Bertagnolli (Ita) Lampre - ISD 0:01:17
60 Rigoberto Uran Uran (Col) Sky Procycling 0:01:18
61 Amaël Moinard (Fra) BMC Racing Team
62 Rein Taaramae (Est) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:01:20
63 Tony Gallopin (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne
64 Alexandr Kolobnev (Rus) Katusha Team
65 Björn Leukemans (Bel) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:01:23
66 Bauke Mollema (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:01:26
67 Luis Leon Sanchez Gil (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team
68 Maxime Monfort (Bel) Leopard Trek 0:01:35
69 Alberto Contador Velasco (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:01:42
70 Daniel Oss (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:01:47
71 Thomas Danielson (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:01:49
72 Christian Vande Velde (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo
73 Stuart O'Grady (Aus) Leopard Trek 0:01:53
74 Gert Steegmans (Bel) Quickstep Cycling Team 0:01:55
75 Haimar Zubeldia Agirre (Spa) Team RadioShack 0:01:59
76 Markel Irizar Aranburu (Spa) Team RadioShack
77 Anthony Roux (Fra) FDJ 0:02:00
78 Lars Boom (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:02:01
79 Juan Manuel Garate (Spa) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:02:06
80 Dries Devenyns (Bel) Quickstep Cycling Team 0:02:10
81 Kristijan Koren (Slo) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:02:11
82 Richie Porte (Aus) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:02:17
83 Nicki Sörensen (Den) Saxo Bank Sungard
84 Yuriy Trofimov (Rus) Katusha Team 0:02:18
85 Denis Galimzyanov (Rus) Katusha Team 0:02:20
86 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Pro Team Astana 0:02:21
87 Ivan Santaromita (Ita) BMC Racing Team 0:02:23
88 Rob Ruijgh (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:02:29
89 Arnold Jeannesson (Fra) FDJ
90 Sergio Miguel Moreira Paulinho (Por) Team RadioShack
91 Steve Morabito (Swi) BMC Racing Team 0:02:31
92 Brent Bookwalter (USA) BMC Racing Team
93 Samuel Dumoulin (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:02:32
94 Juan Antonio Flecha Giannoni (Spa) Sky Procycling 0:02:34
95 Sandy Casar (Fra) FDJ 0:02:35
96 Rémi Pauriol (Fra) FDJ
97 Mark Renshaw (Aus) HTC-Highroad
98 Mickaël Delage (Fra) FDJ
99 Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:02:36
100 Anthony Charteau (Fra) Team Europcar 0:02:39
101 Christophe Kern (Fra) Team Europcar
102 Pierre Rolland (Fra) Team Europcar
103 Jean-Christophe Peraud (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:02:42
104 John Gadret (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale
105 Marcus Burghardt (Ger) BMC Racing Team 0:02:44
106 Jelle Vanendert (Bel) Omega censored 0:02:47
107 Jerome Coppel (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:02:51
108 Simon Gerrans (Aus) Sky Procycling 0:02:53
109 Danny Pate (USA) HTC-Highroad 0:02:54
110 Gorka Verdugo Marcotegui (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:02:55
111 Imanol Erviti Ollo (Spa) Movistar Team 0:02:58
112 Beñat Intxausti Elorriaga (Spa) Movistar Team
113 Vasili Kiryienka (Blr) Movistar Team
114 Wout Poels (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:03:04
115 Thomas De Gendt (Bel) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
116 Pavel Brutt (Rus) Katusha Team 0:03:05
117 Julien El Fares (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:03:09
118 David Moncoutie (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne
119 Sébastien Hinault (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:03:11
120 Amets Txurruka (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
121 Johnny Hoogerland (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:03:12
122 Maxime Bouet (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale
123 Hubert Dupont (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale
124 Jérémy Roy (Fra) FDJ 0:03:13
125 Yohann Gene (Fra) Team Europcar 0:03:20
126 Arthur Vichot (Fra) FDJ 0:03:21
127 Christophe Riblon (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:03:23
128 Sylvester Szmyd (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:03:27
129 Rui Alberto Faria Da Costa (Por) Movistar Team 0:03:28
130 Fabio Sabatini (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:03:31
131 Adriano Malori (Ita) Lampre - ISD
132 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Lampre - ISD
133 Matteo Tosatto (Ita) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:03:33
134 Lieuwe Westra (Ned) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:03:34
135 Maarten Tjallingii (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team
136 Andrey Amador Bakkazakova (CRc) Movistar Team 0:03:38
137 David Arroyo Duran (Spa) Movistar Team 0:03:39
138 Andriy Grivko (Ukr) Pro Team Astana 0:03:45
139 Brian Vandborg (Den) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:03:50
140 Alan Perez Lezaun (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:03:52
141 Mikhail Ignatyev (Rus) Katusha Team
142 Maciej Bodnar (Pol) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:03:56
143 Frederik Willems (Bel) Omega censored 0:04:01
144 Christian Knees (Ger) Sky Procycling 0:04:07
145 Marco Marcato (Ita) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team
146 Jens Voigt (Ger) Leopard Trek 0:04:20
147 Paolo Longo Borghini (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:04:21
148 Pablo Urtasun Perez (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi
149 Anthony Delaplace (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:04:24
150 Lars Ytting Bak (Den) HTC-Highroad 0:04:28
151 Andrey Zeits (Kaz) Pro Team Astana 0:04:30
152 Alessandro Vanotti (Ita) Liquigas-Cannondale 0:04:31
153 José Ivan Gutierrez Palacios (Spa) Movistar Team
154 Francisco José Ventoso Alberdi (Spa) Movistar Team
155 Grischa Niermann (Ger) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:04:37
156 Leonardo Fabio Duque (Col) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:04:42
157 Fabrice Jeandesboz (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:05:15
158 Jimmy Engoulvent (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:05:23
159 Joost Posthuma (Ned) Leopard Trek 0:05:27
160 David Loosli (Swi) Lampre - ISD 0:05:30
161 Michael Schär (Swi) BMC Racing Team 0:05:43
162 Yannick Talabardon (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:05:46
163 Romain Zingle (Bel) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:05:47
164 Gerald Ciolek (Ger) Quickstep Cycling Team 0:06:04
165 Tristan Valentin (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:06:10
166 Vladimir Isaichev (Rus) Katusha Team 0:06:12
167 Paolo Tiralongo (Ita) Pro Team Astana 0:06:13
168 David Zabriskie (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:06:22
169 Tyler Farrar (USA) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:06:26
170 Rémy Di Gregorio (Fra) Pro Team Astana 0:06:29
171 Ruben Perez Moreno (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:06:31
172 Benjamin Noval Gonzalez (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard
173 Jonathan Hivert (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:06:39
174 Perrig Quemeneur (Fra) Team Europcar 0:06:42
175 Mickaël Buffaz (Fra) Cofidis, Le Credit En Ligne 0:06:47
176 Laurens Ten Dam (Ned) Rabobank Cycling Team 0:06:56
177 Iván Velasco Murillo (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:07:05
178 Maxim Iglinskiy (Kaz) Pro Team Astana 0:07:16
179 Tomas Vaitkus (Ltu) Pro Team Astana
180 Bernhard Eisel (Aut) HTC-Highroad 0:07:19
181 Gorka Izagirre Insausti (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:07:23
182 Egoi Martinez De Esteban (Spa) Euskaltel-Euskadi 0:07:39
183 Borut Bozic (Slo) Vacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team 0:07:59
184 Chris Anker Sörensen (Den) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:08:13
185 Matteo Bono (Ita) Lampre - ISD 0:08:23
186 Julian Dean (NZl) Team Garmin-Cervelo 0:08:35
187 Sébastien Minard (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:08:41
188 Daniel Navarro Garcia (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:08:46
189 Xabier Zandio Echaide (Spa) Sky Procycling 0:08:47
190 Denys Kostyuk (Ukr) Lampre - ISD
191 Arnaud Coyot (Fra) Saur - Sojasun 0:08:50
192 Jesús Hernandez Blazquez (Spa) Saxo Bank Sungard 0:09:56
193 Blel Kadri (Fra) AG2R La Mondiale 0:10:59
194 Addy Engels (Ned) Quickstep Cycling Team 0:11:05
195 Niki Terpstra (Ned) Quickstep Cycling Team 0:11:55
196 Jurgen Van De Walle (Bel) Omega censored 0:15:13
197 Dmitriy Muravyev (Kaz) Team RadioShack 0:16:25
198 Vincent Jerome (Fra) Team Europcar 0:19:08

Surely a GC contender will try and win a mountain stage, as thats what theyre best at?

That's the whole point, they don't HAVE to win a single state to win the tour... no self respecting GC contender would like that, but it's not uncommon for a GC contender to gift a win to a rival teammate, or even his own team mate for helping him get over a mountain. It's not about the win, it's about not losing time to your competitors, and if a GC leader come in 57th place, he could care less as long as he doesn't lose time compared to his rivals.

Dont get enough points to compete? For the jersey, or compete full stop? I thought the points went all the way down to the last rider over the line. Is the green jersey not open to everyone at some point in the tour?

All competitions are open to everyone, and one rider can and often does have points in both the mountain and the green jersey competitions. if a rider holds both the yellow jersey and the polka dot jersey because he's not only got the best over all time, but he's also gotten the best mountain results (earning points) he'll wear the yellow, and the polka dot jersey will go to the second higher points earner.

Oh... just to confuse things further, there's an under twenty five competition earning the white jersey!

[darwin dali]

For your perusal in French and English

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Yeah but working out the white jersey is easy, although ive forgotten whether its points or time based, think its points....

And i get it now but you still havent explained the green jersey thing, the implication you first made was that only some can compete in it, at least at a stage later then the very first one, like some sort of qualifying thing..........

So general classification is worked out for example, say rider a gets 10 seconds on stage 1, and rider b gets 25 seconds, hes GC result will say + 15, but if rider a gets 10 seconds on the second stage and rider b gets 5 the GC now has rider b at + 10, its always slicing off the difference in time rather and the only person whos full tour time to date is shown is the leader of the GC?

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Yeah but working out the white jersey is easy, although ive forgotten whether its points or time based, think its points....

And i get it now but you still havent explained the green jersey thing, the implication you first made was that only some can compete in it, at least at a stage later then the very first one, like some sort of qualifying thing..........

So general classification is worked out for example, say rider a gets 10 seconds on stage 1, and rider b gets 25 seconds, hes GC result will say + 15, but if rider a gets 10 seconds on the second stage and rider b gets 5 the GC now has rider b at + 10, its always slicing off the difference in time rather and the only person whos full tour time to date is shown is the leader of the GC?

No, the green jersey this is a misunderstanding... everyone can compete, and often a lot of people get green jersey points, but when I mean only sprinters, it's more like only certain people will win, because of their physiology, and the fact that most others that aren't in the hunt simply stay out of the fray for fear of crashes.

White jersey is also time based it's like a GC for under 25.

As far as the time is concerned, think of it as every time of every stage is added up, totaled and then whomever has the shortest time is the GC leader, every one else has their time show in +0:00.00. At the end of the tour, you'll have people in the tail end being 4 or 5 hours behind the leaders... so if a person like that would break away and try to go for a stage win, he'd generally be allowed to go as it would mean no threat to the GC contenders. So often 3/4 of the way through, you'll see a group of 8 or 10 guys fitting that description go for a breakaway, and actually get a stage win because the peloton had no desire to chase them. There's a lot of cat and mouse.

[FRAFPDD]

Yeah but working out the white jersey is easy, although ive forgotten whether its points or time based, think its points....

And i get it now but you still havent explained the green jersey thing, the implication you first made was that only some can compete in it, at least at a stage later then the very first one, like some sort of qualifying thing..........

So general classification is worked out for example, say rider a gets 10 seconds on stage 1, and rider b gets 25 seconds, hes GC result will say + 15, but if rider a gets 10 seconds on the second stage and rider b gets 5 the GC now has rider b at + 10, its always slicing off the difference in time rather and the only person whos full tour time to date is shown is the leader of the GC?

No, the green jersey this is a misunderstanding... everyone can compete, and often a lot of people get green jersey points, but when I mean only sprinters, it's more like only certain people will win, because of their physiology, and the fact that most others that aren't in the hunt simply stay out of the fray for fear of crashes.

White jersey is also time based it's like a GC for under 25.

As far as the time is concerned, think of it as every time of every stage is added up, totaled and then whomever has the shortest time is the GC leader, every one else has their time show in +0:00.00. At the end of the tour, you'll have people in the tail end being 4 or 5 hours behind the leaders... so if a person like that would break away and try to go for a stage win, he'd generally be allowed to go as it would mean no threat to the GC contenders. So often 3/4 of the way through, you'll see a group of 8 or 10 guys fitting that description go for a breakaway, and actually get a stage win because the peloton had no desire to chase them. There's a lot of cat and mouse.

Right so all in all.......... btw sorry if im being a nuisance, it is understably complicated and a very tactical sport.


Green Jersey is whoever has the most points and in turn whoever has the overall best finishing positions (not time related/based), question is what is the point scoring table and how far down in teh riders does it go? 20? 50? 100?

Eddie Mercx i hear won the polkadot, green and yellow jersey in one of the tours, what an utter beast.

Also surely......you say the no hopers who are hours behind the leaders of GC go for stage wins later in the tour, my questions are;

1. Surely if they breakaway early theyll burn themselves out because they arent good contenders for anything. Being the last of the GC and all.

2. Is it the mountain or sprint stages or both that you talk about no hopers going for one day glory in stage wins? If its sprints surely the Cavendish's and such will beat them to it, if its the mountains (which makes more sense) you dont get a sprint, just a breakaway near the end of the stage that the peloton and win capable riders must hang onto the back off, but like you say only if they choose to.

3. You mean "allowed to go" in terms of the peloton not bothering to call their challenge in breaking away, leaving the peloton to just ride their way to the stage finish whilst the breakaways for for the one day glory, more pressing question, why dont they do that at every stage, why does the peloton and say the GC title challengers like Schleck and Contador only bother at some stages? When these no hopers breakaway are they banking on the peloton not being bothered to catch them?

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Green Jersey is whoever has the most points and in turn whoever has the overall best finishing positions (not time related/based), question is what is the point scoring table and how far down in teh riders does it go? 20? 50? 100?

In the intermediate sprints it's 20 given for first place and it goes through to 15th place given one point. In the stage finish it's 45 points for first place and down to 15th place getting 2 points.

A clear example of this is Cadel Evans... he's a GM rider... actually looking very strong to win the tour this year, and yet he's currently second in the green jersey competition because he's got a stage win and a second place finish.

Eddie Mercx i hear won the polkadot, green and yellow jersey in one of the tours, what an utter beast.

His nickname was "the animal" for a reason.

Also surely......you say the no hopers who are hours behind the leaders of GC go for stage wins later in the tour, my questions are;

1. Surely if they breakaway early theyll burn themselves out because they arent good contenders for anything. Being the last of the GC and all.

Yeap, but it's a chance they take, it's been calculated that breakaways tend to succeed 5 percent of the time... versus staying in the Peloton and not gaining anything. There are additional spiffs along the routes, for sprints and mountains points that earn them money, plus sponsors like having their jerseys visible in front of the TV cameras for hours at a time every time they show the breakaway even if there's little chance to succeed.

2. Is it the mountain or sprint stages or both that you talk about no hopers going for one day glory in stage wins? If its sprints surely the Cavendish's and such will beat them to it, if its the mountains (which makes more sense) you dont get a sprint, just a breakaway near the end of the stage that the peloton and win capable riders must hang onto the back off, but like you say only if they choose to.

Both, a breakaway doesn't always succeed, it counts on either the peloton getting it wrong or something happening behind them, like a bad accident that disorganizes the chase. I've seen breakaways get caught with 100 meters to go, after being in the lead for 150 kilometers.

3. You mean "allowed to go" in terms of the peloton not bothering to call their challenge in breaking away, leaving the peloton to just ride their way to the stage finish whilst the breakaways for for the one day glory, more pressing question, why dont they do that at every stage, why does the peloton and say the GC title challengers like Schleck and Contador only bother at some stages? When these no hopers breakaway are they banking on the peloton not being bothered to catch them?

Yes, if they're far behind on time there is absolutely no impetus to chase... chasing means energy spent, energy you can save for tomorrow and the tour is long, it's all about who can manage their energy best. Often you see someone have a great ride one day to break on a climb the next day.

[bud]

God of Thunder still holds the yellow jersey!

[What's Burning?]

God of Thunder still holds the yellow jersey!

That's a ballsy name! Gotta love it.

[F1er]

God of Thunder still holds the yellow jersey!

Man that was great.He REALLY wanted it today.

[racechick]

God of Thunder still holds the yellow jersey!

He's doing AMAZING!!. I love watching tour de France!! Sometimes it goes past my French house!!!!!! Go past my French house again!! Its a hilly bit. Well its mountains actually

[Frontrunner]

God of Thunder still holds the yellow jersey!

Man that was great.He REALLY wanted it today.

He has a good chance to hold on to the yellow till Saturday as the stages coming up are still sort of flat

[What's Burning?]

With the GP going on yesterday, I forgot to talk about stage 9 which was a crash fest with reported broken bones galore. The most graphic crash though was Juan Antonio Flecha and Johnny Hoogerland! it's also good to see a Frenchman in yellow... Thomas Voeckler. He may be able to keep it for quite some time until the real mountain stages.

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I'm sure that driver is out of a job today.

[darwin dali]

With the GP going on yesterday, I forgot to talk about stage 9 which was a crash fest with reported broken bones galore. The most graphic crash though was Juan Antonia Flecha and Johnny Hoogerland! it's also good to see a Frenchman in yellow... Thomas Voeckler. He may be able to keep it for quite some time until the real mountain stages.

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I'm sure that driver is out of a job today.

Yeah, saw that in the news - the fence the one driver fell into was barbwire

[What's Burning?]

Since FOX showed the GP at 12, I had all the time in the world to actually sit Sunday morning and watch the whole televised stage.

[bud]

Saw this, it was very very close to being a tragedy. Glad the riders rode on and only had superficial injuries. But no wonder there is no GP or Frenchman in F1 anymore, they cant drive!