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[F1er]

To make a long story short,he's still undefeated 4-0

So if he's over-rated Alonso and Jenson are BUMS.In F1 you're only as good as your car.

[kerc]

I think Lewis still has a long, successful career ahead of him.

[What's Burning?]

I'm not a fan of Hamilton but I also not a hater either. I feel that Hamilton is getting increasingly frustrated by Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel's dominance in the first six races of the season. He is making many moves that is simply not on and ends in a crash. He is clearly a talented driver but he seems to lack maturity in his driving especially when stuck in the pack, taking unacceptable risks rather than biding his time and living for another day.

And here you've pointed out exactly why he's either liked or disliked by people simply because of his all or nothing style. I know you're a Button fan and given this explanation is makes a lot of sense because living for another day and not risking it is his style. We saw it during his WDC year in 09 and it works for him and his brand of racing.

I believe that Hamilton will become increasingly frustrated by his lack of winning which will ultimately cost him another world title unless he has a more superior car than everyone else. This is why I believe Hamilton is not a great driver, good driver, yes but not great; I believe he is trying too hard to be his idol Ayrton Senna!

But here is where you depart from what we've observed and venture out into conjecture. Everyone has seen a lack of winning this year, so what is the alternative? Letting your team put enough bits on the car where you can eventually catch the RBs when it may be too little too late? Sitting back and biding your time and accepting the odd podium and being able to say you had a mistake free year? Hamilton remains the only one that's stolen a win from Vettel. That may change this year that may not, but time will answer the OPs question.

Everyone has a right to their opinion here, and as much as Big Azza asks, I don't think this thread is about trying to change people's opinion at all, on the contrary it's for people to state their most articulate reason why they've come to the conclusion they've come to and so far so good.

In the end, what we'll find is that people that support Hamilton do so because they have a preference for his driving style. It's the lesson we all learned in grade school sports growing up, where you're encouraged to try even if you fail, than not try at all.
People that do not support or worse do not like Hamilton do so because they dislike his personality or level of maturity or take no prisoners style and certainly his off track interviews and antics and that's got absolutely nothing to do with his driving... but that's ok, because it's all a preference, if people would simply accept this and move on, without having the need to change someone's opinion to reflect something more like their own, there would be little moderating needed on the forum.

I'm staying optimistic there DD and I disagree with you, optimism is considerably better than hope, because hope is based on faith, optimism is based on confidence.

[darwin dali]

I think both quite often sook, so meh to both hope and optimism

[What's Burning?]

I think both quite often sook, so meh to both hope and optimism

You sour puss. The only sunshine in your dungeon comes from the paddle or the whip.

EDIT: ...do I need to warn myself for calling you a sour puss?

[darwin dali]

I think both quite often sook, so meh to both hope and optimism

You sour puss. The only sunshine in your dungeon comes from the paddle or the whip.

EDIT: ...do I need to warn myself for calling you a sour puss?

Yup!

[texasmr2]

Bout daym time !!!!

[darwin dali]

Bout daym time !!!!

What? You want a warning, too?

[carmonwebber]

To make a long story short,he's still undefeated 4-0

So if he's over-rated Alonso and Jenson are BUMS.In F1 you're only as good as your car.

2007 -first season and almost wins WDC. (I was praying for Kimi to win!)
2008 - wins WDC
2009 - Brawn dominance and the beginning of RB's rise to the top


2008 and prior, it was largely a Ferrari/McLaren dominant scene. 2009 and onwards, it hasn't.

[texasmr2]

Bout daym time !!!!

What? You want a warning, too?

A knight lives and dies by the sword of truth so...

[darwin dali]

Bout daym time !!!!

What? You want a warning, too?

A knight lives and dies by the sword of truth so...

[Hammer278]

I'm not a fan of Hamilton but I also not a hater either. I feel that Hamilton is getting increasingly frustrated by Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel's dominance in the first six races of the season. He is making many moves that is simply not on and ends in a crash. He is clearly a talented driver but he seems to lack maturity in his driving especially when stuck in the pack, taking unacceptable risks rather than biding his time and living for another day. I believe that Hamilton will become increasingly frustrated by his lack of winning which will ultimately cost him another world title unless he has a more superior car than everyone else. This is why I believe Hamilton is not a great driver, good driver, yes but not great; I believe he is trying too hard to be his idol Ayrton Senna!

Based on his performance at Monaco? A track where overtaking is impossible and it's impossible for Hamilton to not try and overtake, it was very much a case of unstoppable force meets an immovable object.

His 'recklessness' is exactly why he is currently sitting in 2nd place whilst Button is straggling. As Ayrton Senna once said; 'if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, competing to win'. Sitting back and biding his time is just not in his nature and that in itself is his greatest strength and weakness. He is an out and out racer and thats what makes him the most exciting driver to watch. If more drivers took a leaf from Senna's book I don't think i'd be disappointed.

Nice. Based on this, JPM was another driver who had a mentality like Lewis. However, JPM didn't have that consistent speed and fine skill in pulling off most his moves. Lewis is probably the best overtaker I've seen since watching F1.

Its sad that one race where he was not 'perfect', he's already being questioned about talent/skill/WDC capabilities. Fickleness knows no bounds.

[texasmr2]

I'm not a fan of Hamilton but I also not a hater either. I feel that Hamilton is getting increasingly frustrated by Red Bull and Sebastian Vettel's dominance in the first six races of the season. He is making many moves that is simply not on and ends in a crash. He is clearly a talented driver but he seems to lack maturity in his driving especially when stuck in the pack, taking unacceptable risks rather than biding his time and living for another day. I believe that Hamilton will become increasingly frustrated by his lack of winning which will ultimately cost him another world title unless he has a more superior car than everyone else. This is why I believe Hamilton is not a great driver, good driver, yes but not great; I believe he is trying too hard to be his idol Ayrton Senna!

Based on his performance at Monaco? A track where overtaking is impossible and it's impossible for Hamilton to not try and overtake, it was very much a case of unstoppable force meets an immovable object.

His 'recklessness' is exactly why he is currently sitting in 2nd place whilst Button is straggling. As Ayrton Senna once said; 'if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, competing to win'. Sitting back and biding his time is just not in his nature and that in itself is his greatest strength and weakness. He is an out and out racer and thats what makes him the most exciting driver to watch. If more drivers took a leaf from Senna's book I don't think i'd be disappointed.

Nice. Based on this, JPM was another driver who had a mentality like Lewis. However, JPM didn't have that consistent speed and fine skill in pulling off most his moves. Lewis is probably the best overtaker I've seen since watching F1.

Its sad that one race where he was not 'perfect', he's already being questioned about talent/skill/WDC capabilities. Fickleness knows no bounds.

Wait just a minute there sparky. I witnessed JPM win his two CART championship's and he was just as good as Lewis. Please let's not get all nostalgic with video's and such if one has never actually seen first hand one's skill while disputing someone else's.

Did you see those two years or are you just ranting?

[loosecannon]

Lewis is easily one of the top 3 drivers currently in F1. In my opinion he is better than Vettel and as good as Alonso (just look at their season in the same car). In the past, a great driver could overcome deficiencies in the car with bravery and skill, the driver was much more important. But now that there are detailed data streams being sent back to the pits to be analyzed, the driver is not so important. The car is much more important now and Vettel happens to have had the best car for the last two years, and Button had the best car the year before that. It's not that Lewis is failing, it's that McLaren is failing in building a good car.
I have no doubt that Lewis or Fernando could take a car that was half a second slower than another car and win the WDC. But neither of them are good enough to bring a car that is a whole second a lap slower than another car and put it on the podium enough times to win the Championship. I own a kart track and pride myself on how close my karts are to each other in performance. One good driver testing them all back to back will be no more that half a second different from the fastest kart to the slowest. I could take one of our monthly all-u-can-race customers, put him in the quickest kart and I would still beat him 10 out of 10 races because I can make up that half a second. But, if one kart was a second quicker than another kart, my years of racing and the 35,000 laps I have on the track mean nothing, I'm still going to lose. Jenson was World Champion once, but he's no match for Lewis when in the same car-he needed a vastly superior car to beat Hamilton.
Sadly, the WDC does not always go to the best driver on the grid, it often goes to very good drivers who are in the best car. It's painful to watch a driver I'm not cheering for walk away with the championship two years in a row but Lewis is still young, he'll get more championships. Regardless, no one can deny that at every race, Lewis is exciting to watch-F1 should put more cameras on his car.

[texasmr2]

DAMN that is one LOOONNGGG sentence!!!!