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[FRAFPDD]

Pointless discussion really.

Im sure its too early to say we know its the sidepods hexagram, for all we know it could be solely the balancing of the KERS unit.

The concerns should really start in australia. and i think concern is too harsh, all these two are saying is what had to happen, less downforce etc.

[killem2]

Nothing goes on track until it passes all the FIA crash tests.

Oh I didn't know they did that. So.. i guess I should ask why is testing banned?

[f1ea]

Vettel was, I think, one of the first top drivers that said something like: This years car is good, but nowhere good as last year's... And Red Bull is a great car... So, we'll see how things turn up!

Following a season of double diffusers, EBD and F ducts I would think that with the new non aero friendly regulations most teams would be taking a hit in the downforce department.

Alonso was also asked to compare the 150 vs last yr's (the one he said was the best car he'd ever driven)... he said it was 'different'... in other words not the best but then he went on to explain the lost of downforce and of course the tire degradation.

This is not good. How often do drivers admit BEFORE the season that they wouldn't expect this car to win. Usually it's confidence, confidence and confidence. But we'll see

specially Nico Rosberg

I think they are all being honest... Mclaren is down on miles.... that's true. And NOBODY knows where they really stand... that's also true.
Perhaps we are so used to this 'confidence', we feel negativity when they are not all jolly.

[What's Burning?]

Vettel was, I think, one of the first top drivers that said something like: This years car is good, but nowhere good as last year's... And Red Bull is a great car... So, we'll see how things turn up!

Following a season of double diffusers, EBD and F ducts I would think that with the new non aero friendly regulations most teams would be taking a hit in the downforce department.

Alonso was also asked to compare the 150 vs last yr's (the one he said was the best car he'd ever driven)... he said it was 'different'... in other words not the best but then he went on to explain the lost of downforce and of course the tire degradation.

This is not good. How often do drivers admit BEFORE the season that they wouldn't expect this car to win. Usually it's confidence, confidence and confidence. But we'll see

specially Nico Rosberg

I think they are all being honest... Mclaren is down on miles.... that's true. And NOBODY knows where they really stand... that's also true.
Perhaps we are so used to this 'confidence', we feel negativity when they are not all jolly.

The thing about confidence though... is that it's always better when it's the "other" team showing a lack of it.

[killem2]

Well, to me that's a good sign. As long as it's a global problem, we'll have to see what it does. Can you imagine people like Kobiashi on the track with the whole grid being made of of inferior aerodynamic cars? This dude has balls of steel. I loved watching him scrap in suzuka

[vaptin]

Hasn't aerodynamics been McLaren's main weakness for a few seasons now? Maybe time to steal those aerodynamic people from Renault.

And I'm surprised everyones been so calm and measured, am I on the wrong forum? Where's the: "its time for Lewis to go to Ferrari because Mclaren are s***", "stop whining Jenson your just slow, it isn't the car", "I'm angry and full of rage because I rely on McLaren's/ Lewis's success to fill the void that is my life and heart"

[FRAFPDD]

[quote="vaptin"]Hasn't aerodynamics been McLaren's main weakness for a few seasons now? Maybe time to steal those aerodynamic people from Renault.

And I'm surprised everyones been so calm and measured, am I on the wrong forum? Where's the: "its time for Lewis to go to Ferrari because Mclaren are s***", "stop whining Jenson your just slow, it isn't the car", "I'm angry and full of rage because I rely on McLaren's/ Lewis's success to fill the void that is my life and heart"[/quote]



Yeah and id like to keep it that way so stop baiting like a troll and keep it on topic.

[Jensonb]

Hasn't aerodynamics been McLaren's main weakness for a few seasons now? Maybe time to steal those aerodynamic people from Renault.

And I'm surprised everyones been so calm and measured, am I on the wrong forum? Where's the: "its time for Lewis to go to Ferrari because Mclaren are s***", "stop whining Jenson your just slow, it isn't the car", "I'm angry and full of rage because I rely on McLaren's/ Lewis's success to fill the void that is my life and heart"

Oh, give it time.

[texasmr2]

For the 1000th time never ever count McLaren out as they gots da mojo.

[scotty]

They're either on the back foot or sandbagging. I can't see why anyone would bother doing the latter nowadays.

Perhaps they can fix their problems by the first race but with such little track time with the new car on new tyres it'd be an incredible feat if they did get everything sorted 100%. It probably isn't helping themconcentrate on their aero issues if the drivers aren't liking the Pirellis much either (i have read that certainly Hamilton doesn't seem to), dividing focus is a waste of precious testing time especially when some other teams seem to be so far along their programmes. Also, i don't think it's helped that they have been spending time changing their exhaust configs mid-test.

I have no doubt they can fix it long term even if it's a fundamental aero problem (see '09, '04 etc), even if it proves that this sidepod design wasn't the way to go after all and they have to do a complete rethink mid-season. However by then they might be so far behind Red Bull and Ferrari that their only realistic goals are to just go for odd wins, or hope for another freak championship fight might allow them to sneak in. I believe the exhausts and sidepods are their current problem areas because the drivers have been saying the car simply lacks downforce, and this season generating downforce will revolve around maximising the diffuser and beam wing (the lower part of the rear wing) effectiveness.

It's all about mileage in these early stages to gain data and reliability, and from there you can move on with upgrades because you know where to go with developments. The fundamental problem for McLaren is that they don't have this mileage yet.

[F1er]

McLaren is not the problem,Newey is! ATM he can build better cars than both Maca and Ferrari!

[F1er]

Where's the: "its time for Lewis to go to Ferrari because Mclaren are s***",

And how has ferrari fared relative to maca during Lewis short career?

[vaptin]

Where's the: "its time for Lewis to go to Ferrari because Mclaren are s***",

And how has ferrari fared relative to maca during Lewis short career?

I could respond, but I think you missed it wasn't a serious suggestion. Just a summary of general sentiment that sometimes crops up when McLaren appear to be doing badly, some talk about how its "not fair on Lewis" etc.

[racechick]

Where's the: "its time for Lewis to go to Ferrari because Mclaren are s***",

And how has ferrari fared relative to maca during Lewis short career?

I could respond, but I think you missed it wasn't a serious suggestion. Just a summary of general sentiment that sometimes crops up when McLaren appear to be doing badly, some talk about how its "not fair on Lewis" etc.

Lewis is McLaren, he takes the rough with the smooth. What's not fair?? Lewis has actually said he likes the car but that they need more time to work on it.

[F1er]

Where's the: "its time for Lewis to go to Ferrari because Mclaren are s***",

And how has ferrari fared relative to maca during Lewis short career?

I could respond, but I think you missed it wasn't a serious suggestion. Just a summary of general sentiment that sometimes crops up when McLaren appear to be doing badly, some talk about how its "not fair on Lewis" etc.

Ahhhh,then OK. Because the only time Ferrari were better Lewis won WDC,so I was bit confused by that comment!