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[Denthúl]

But the main thing is for f1 2011 the pirelli tires will not be as long lasting as the bridgestones.

How do we know that to be factual Gaz? Please correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm not mistaken Pirelli only just had their first test session and if anyone knows how to build a long lasting tire imho it is Pirelli hence Bergers 1986 win at the Mexican GP where he went the entire race on one sets of Pirelli 'hards'. Pirelli has a huge amount of F1 experience and data to fall back on so lets not forget that or start making judgements too soon .

Pirelli are attempting to design their tyres so that they aren't invincible like the Bridgestone ones, because they want the tyres to play more of a role in race outcomes and excitement and whatnot.

Anyway, considering everyone said that Lewis was going to destroy Jenson this year...yeah. Didn't happen. Well done to him, I think he's definitely proved that making the switch was the right decision. Let's see what next year brings.

[The Ram]

Abu dahbi reinforces my point. Lewis has nothing to learn from Jenson Button. He already knows when to turn down the wick, why do people want to give the man weaknesses? Every year it's a new weakness I just don't get it...

Wow,..I mean, thank God Vettel won the WDC over Webber; shows that speed always wins in the end. All you "hold station" fans need to get real.

I wouldnt start speaking too soon, Lewis did quite well and had some big mechanical failures but he wasnt that far ahead of button.

But the main thing is for f1 2011 the pirelli tires will not be as long lasting as the bridgestones

which may play to jensons buttons style

I thought long tyre stints played to Buttons style.. HAHAHAHA...(hearty laugh). How is a shorter stint on softer tyres going to help him? It's not like others are going to burn them out. It only means that Hamilton will just run a less aggressive suspension setting and still be faster. You only need to heat them into the proper range and no more. It has been very few times we see the drivers overheating the tyres this year, In fact the oppossite; we see more graining which is a result of too much scrub or cold tyres. I think this tyre thing is just another attempt to find a chink in Hamilton's armor. I wish I could dig up all the preseason articles predicting this years regulations being a bane for Hamilton. It's just natural that people want the underdog to have a decent chance I guess.

[The Ram]

But the main thing is for f1 2011 the pirelli tires will not be as long lasting as the bridgestones.

How do we know that to be factual Gaz? Please correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm not mistaken Pirelli only just had their first test session and if anyone knows how to build a long lasting tire imho it is Pirelli hence Bergers 1986 win at the Mexican GP where he went the entire race on one sets of Pirelli 'hards'. Pirelli has a huge amount of F1 experience and data to fall back on so lets not forget that or start making judgements too soon .

Pirelli are attempting to design their tyres so that they aren't invincible like the Bridgestone ones, because they want the tyres to play more of a role in race outcomes and excitement and whatnot.

Anyway, considering everyone said that Lewis was going to destroy Jenson this year...yeah. Didn't happen. Well done to him, I think he's definitely proved that making the switch was the right decision. Let's see what next year brings.

Yeah, I think destroyed was the wrong word. I think DOMINATED fits the bill perfectly.

So I think it was a dominating performance in an alpha male kind of way.

Doll Domination?

[Denthúl]

But the main thing is for f1 2011 the pirelli tires will not be as long lasting as the bridgestones.

How do we know that to be factual Gaz? Please correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm not mistaken Pirelli only just had their first test session and if anyone knows how to build a long lasting tire imho it is Pirelli hence Bergers 1986 win at the Mexican GP where he went the entire race on one sets of Pirelli 'hards'. Pirelli has a huge amount of F1 experience and data to fall back on so lets not forget that or start making judgements too soon .

Pirelli are attempting to design their tyres so that they aren't invincible like the Bridgestone ones, because they want the tyres to play more of a role in race outcomes and excitement and whatnot.

Anyway, considering everyone said that Lewis was going to destroy Jenson this year...yeah. Didn't happen. Well done to him, I think he's definitely proved that making the switch was the right decision. Let's see what next year brings.

Yeah, I think destroyed was the wrong word. I think DOMINATED fits the bill perfectly.

So I think it was a dominating performance in an alpha male kind of way.

Doll Domination?

I can't help but think that people like you contribute to the dislike of Hamilton. You make out like he's a God when he isn't.

Most of us agree that, in terms of sheer pace, he's got the edge on Button. But Button has demonstrated on several occasions this season that just being the fastest isn't always enough.

Fact is, he kept himself in contention until the penultimate race whilst his team-mate was hanging on by a thread. He's been a lot closer to Hamilton this season than most people would ever have predicted and I'd bet that if you asked Lewis himself, he'd admit that he was pushed hard by Jenson.

[The Ram]

OK.. you win.. Yes Jenson was closer than predicted.. everahbody happeh!

NOT!

Button still lost

Let us not get it twisted; the Jenson fans were looking for Jenson to BEAT Hamilton - I will never forget that. I said it was impossible at the beginning of the thread. Now that they get their reality check they are looking for sympathies. Not from me they wont get any because next thing you know they will be heading into 2011 again with silly notions of Jenson beating Lewis.. and we will have a Lewis V Jenson II thread.

I won't let Button off the chain, If you give these Alonso and Button fans an inch they will take the mile so I will stick my "He was dominated in 2010" thank you.



I think it's time for me to read the thread from the beginning now, there might be a few funny posts back there..

[vaptin]

Incidentally, a lot of em for you.

You might find a lot from me saying, wait until the race and being proven right

Only joking there, however I insist we all make up in the off season.

[Hammer278]

OK.. you win.. Yes Jenson was closer than predicted.. everahbody happeh!

NOT!

Button still lost

Let us not get it twisted; the Jenson fans were looking for Jenson to BEAT Hamilton - I will never forget that. I said it was impossible at the beginning of the thread. Now that they get their reality check they are looking for sympathies. Not from me they wont get any because next thing you know they will be heading into 2011 again with silly notions of Jenson beating Lewis.. and we will have a Lewis V Jenson II thread.

I won't let Button off the chain, If you give these Alonso and Button fans an inch they will take the mile so I will stick my "He was dominated in 2010" thank you.



I think it's time for me to read the thread from the beginning now, there might be a few funny posts back there..

I have to agree with some of this. People were all over Lewis talking about 'tyres are going to kill him', he can't think 'strategically' like his teammate, blah blah blah.

Lewis definitely mucked up in Monza, but apart from that race he's been patting Jenson on the head like a good big brother on race weekends.

[Robert12010]

But the main thing is for f1 2011 the pirelli tires will not be as long lasting as the bridgestones.

How do we know that to be factual Gaz? Please correct me if I'm wrong but if I'm not mistaken Pirelli only just had their first test session and if anyone knows how to build a long lasting tire imho it is Pirelli hence Bergers 1986 win at the Mexican GP where he went the entire race on one sets of Pirelli 'hards'. Pirelli has a huge amount of F1 experience and data to fall back on so lets not forget that or start making judgements too soon .

Pirelli are attempting to design their tyres so that they aren't invincible like the Bridgestone ones, because they want the tyres to play more of a role in race outcomes and excitement and whatnot.

Anyway, considering everyone said that Lewis was going to destroy Jenson this year...yeah. Didn't happen. Well done to him, I think he's definitely proved that making the switch was the right decision. Let's see what next year brings.

Yeah, I think destroyed was the wrong word. I think DOMINATED fits the bill perfectly.

So I think it was a dominating performance in an alpha male kind of way.

Doll Domination?

I think that we can all agree that lewis has had the edge over jenson through the season,. but in the early part of the season when we had the wet races jenson was showing his experience (australia and china), where as lewis relied on the pit wall, but then lewis started to come good after his bad luck in spain with the wheel hub and won turkey and canada....so my point is they both done good at various points of the year, and im sure that lewis over the next few years will develop a good hand with looking after the tyres which i feel he will learn from jenson

[The Ram]

How? Does Jenson have a bluetooth connection to Lewis in the races?

The most Jenson can cause is to let Lewis know when to save tyres, not necessarily how to save them. In fact, all evidence points to Jenson burning out his tyres before than Lewis this year. Especially inters. I won't fall for that age old tyre burner, myth you know... If there is any reason why jenson runs longs on the softs, it is because he drives slow. He even admits this in the interviews.

[Robert12010]

How? Does Jenson have a bluetooth connection to Lewis in the races?

The most Jenson can cause is to let Lewis know when to save tyres, not necessarily how to save them. In fact, all evidence points to Jenson burning out his tyres before than Lewis this year. Especially inters. I won't fall for that age old tyre burner, myth you know... If there is any reason why jenson runs longs on the softs, it is because he drives slow. He even admits this in the interviews.

well he did say he was looking after them, no point burning them out, then having to pit early and come out in the traffic

[manmonkee]

How? Does Jenson have a bluetooth connection to Lewis in the races?

The most Jenson can cause is to let Lewis know when to save tyres, not necessarily how to save them. In fact, all evidence points to Jenson burning out his tyres before than Lewis this year. Especially inters. I won't fall for that age old tyre burner, myth you know... If there is any reason why jenson runs longs on the softs, it is because he drives slow. He even admits this in the interviews.

yeah Lewis seems to have done alright with his tyres, I think thats because there quite hard wearing though, Jenson drives that 10th slower to save them, sometimes it works, mostly it hasn't and Lewis's ball breaking " To hell with the tyres" attitude seems to have been the correct and most fuitfull tactic, Having said that, I still like Jenson and you have to admit that Jenson put your man Lewis as the yardstick of performance, he wanted to beat him as a team mate, sometimes he did, but more often than not this year, Didn't.

[thechainrule]

^ and thats the beauty of their partnership. Both can compete, both push each other, no orders, no drama. Lap times do the talking.

[racechick]

^ and thats the beauty of their partnership. Both can compete, both push each other, no orders, no drama. Lap times do the talking.

[myownalias]

Why do Lewis Hamilton fans (with some exceptions) feel the need to big up Lewis Hamilton while putting down Jenson Button? The simple fact is that each driver has their own strengths and weaknesses and have the capability to beat each other on any given day. Jenson could have been ahead in points, Monaco and Spa being the two examples of retirements that were not of his making. Over the course of the season they were fairly evenly matched and given different circumstances, points tally could be different!

Jenson's big let down this year was his poor quali performances, if he had qualified better, who knows what would have happened in the race!

[texasmr2]

Why do Lewis Hamilton fans (with some exceptions) feel the need to big up Lewis Hamilton while putting down Jenson Button? The simple fact is that each driver has their own strengths and weaknesses and have the capability to beat each other on any given day. Jenson could have been ahead in points, Monaco and Spa being the two examples of retirements that were not of his making. Over the course of the season they were fairly evenly matched and given different circumstances, points tally could be different!

Jenson's big let down this year was his poor quali performances, if he had qualified better, who knows what would have happened in the race!

I call it 'The Plague' or 'Black Death' .