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[vaptin]

The thing is mate, using the same reasoning you have,we could probably claim loads of races have been stolen. Korean Grand Prix, Webber spun to try and take out Alonso under team orders from redbull, however Renault want Alonso to win the title so give Vettel a dodgy engine setting and his engine blows up.

You could also say it was a conspiracy in Germany to allow Alonso to win the race

Ow, I thought there was a official rule that we all make up in the off season, yeah I you could, but with better reasoning than Jack Master's. Oh, and that was all within one team.

[Jack Master]

The thing is mate, using the same reasoning you have,we could probably claim loads of races have been stolen. Korean Grand Prix, Webber spun to try and take out Alonso under team orders from redbull, however Renault want Alonso to win the title so give Vettel a dodgy engine setting and his engine blows up.

You could also say it was a conspiracy in Germany to allow Alonso to win the race

Ow, I thought there was a official rule that we all make up in the off season, yeah I you could, but with better reasoning than Jack Master's. Oh, and that was all within one team.

Do you know what are you talking about? Have you taken the time to see MS accident again? Have I said any time this is the first time that something like that happens. Please try to open your eyes and your mind a little bit and stay focus in MS accident. This is not a question of reasoning is just a matter of facts.
If you don´t have seen the MS accident again, please don´t post. You can´t compare the evidence with some stupid suppositions.

[vaptin]

How did that make Ferrari pit Alonso too early?

[Jack Master]

How did that make Ferrari pit Alonso too early?

Please, could we go step by step? Have you seen carefully MS accident? What are you thinking about it?

[vaptin]

How did that make Ferrari pit Alonso too early?

Please, could we go step by step? Have you seen carefully MS accident? What are you thinking about it?

Nope, its off youtube now. By the way when I asked about the strategy call for Ferrari, it was assuming Schumacher crashed on purpose.

[myownalias]

Even if Schumacher did spin his Mercedes on purpose, that has no effect on Alonso and Ferrari's decision to pit earlier than planned to cover Mark Webber, if anything, Ferrari screwed their own driver by their use of poor strategy. Petrov drove an excellent race to keep Alonso behind; Alonso didn't do enough to pass the Russian, Alonso knew what was at stake and elected to not attempt a pass, the bottom line is; Ferrari caused their own downfall, no-one else was to blame!

[Jack Master]

How did that make Ferrari pit Alonso too early?

Please, could we go step by step? Have you seen carefully MS accident? What are you thinking about it?

Nope, its off youtube now. By the way when I asked about the strategy call for Ferrari, it was assuming Schumacher crashed on purpose.

Yes, the youtube video has been blocked for the Formula 1 owners. What a pity!
If you assume that MS did it on purpose. What for? It seems obvious that he wanted the SC in.
What for? He’s team mate Rosberg and some others could stop and change wheels and all the race strategy changed.
What for? Could you find any credible supposition for that?
Someone like MS acting this way looking for what?
Could you tell me?

[Jack Master]

Even if Schumacher did spin his Mercedes on purpose, that has no effect on Alonso and Ferrari's decision to pit earlier than planned to cover Mark Webber, if anything, Ferrari screwed their own driver by their use of poor strategy. Petrov drove an excellent race to keep Alonso behind; Alonso didn't do enough to pass the Russian, Alonso knew what was at stake and elected to not attempt a pass, the bottom line is; Ferrari caused their own downfall, no-one else was to blame!

If MS didn’t do it, it would be indifferent if Alonso pitted or not, because Rosberg and Petrov wouldn’t have stopped earlier without losing time. Alonso didn’t restart the race with Rosberg and Petrov in front of him in any case. The SC was absolutely necessary in order that the wrong decision from Ferrari harmed Alonso ruining his options.
But the really important question is: What was MS looking for by making it on purpose?

[darwin dali]

Even if Schumacher did spin his Mercedes on purpose, that has no effect on Alonso and Ferrari's decision to pit earlier than planned to cover Mark Webber, if anything, Ferrari screwed their own driver by their use of poor strategy. Petrov drove an excellent race to keep Alonso behind; Alonso didn't do enough to pass the Russian, Alonso knew what was at stake and elected to not attempt a pass, the bottom line is; Ferrari caused their own downfall, no-one else was to blame!

If MS didn’t do it, it would be indifferent if Alonso pitted or not, because Rosberg and Petrov wouldn’t have stopped earlier without losing time. Alonso didn’t restart the race with Rosberg and Petrov in front of him in any case. The SC was absolutely necessary in order that the wrong decision from Ferrari harmed Alonso ruining his options.
But the really important question is: What was MS looking for by making it on purpose?

That's the whole point: he did NOT do it on purpose

[Jack Master]

Even if Schumacher did spin his Mercedes on purpose, that has no effect on Alonso and Ferrari's decision to pit earlier than planned to cover Mark Webber, if anything, Ferrari screwed their own driver by their use of poor strategy. Petrov drove an excellent race to keep Alonso behind; Alonso didn't do enough to pass the Russian, Alonso knew what was at stake and elected to not attempt a pass, the bottom line is; Ferrari caused their own downfall, no-one else was to blame!

If MS didn’t do it, it would be indifferent if Alonso pitted or not, because Rosberg and Petrov wouldn’t have stopped earlier without losing time. Alonso didn’t restart the race with Rosberg and Petrov in front of him in any case. The SC was absolutely necessary in order that the wrong decision from Ferrari harmed Alonso ruining his options.
But the really important question is: What was MS looking for by making it on purpose?

That's the whole point: he did NOT do it on purpose

Have you recorded the race. Have you actually seen carefully the accident? Have you eyes in your face? Please be serious.

[vaptin]

How did that make Ferrari pit Alonso too early?

Please, could we go step by step? Have you seen carefully MS accident? What are you thinking about it?

Nope, its off youtube now. By the way when I asked about the strategy call for Ferrari, it was assuming Schumacher crashed on purpose.

Yes, the youtube video has been blocked for the Formula 1 owners. What a pity!
If you assume that MS did it on purpose. What for? It seems obvious that he wanted the SC in.
What for? He’s team mate Rosberg and some others could stop and change wheels and all the race strategy changed.
What for? Could you find any credible supposition for that?
Someone like MS acting this way looking for what?
Could you tell me?

To get Rosberg a better strategy would be the most obvious answer.

In anyevent a driver crashing on purpose is a very serious event, please send your proof of this occurring to the FIA.

[myownalias]

Jack, I think you're alone in this conspiracy theory, none of the respected sites, pundits or officials find any conspiracy in the events in Abu Dhabi. Why would Schumacher spin in the middle of the pack on purpose with a dozen cars coming at him at great speed, I doubt that Michael has a death wish, we all saw how close the Force India came to landing on top of Schumacher's head. Ferrari were not forced into pitting Alonso early, they were trying to cover Webber, the wrong driver!!!

[Jack Master]

How did that make Ferrari pit Alonso too early?

Please, could we go step by step? Have you seen carefully MS accident? What are you thinking about it?

Nope, its off youtube now. By the way when I asked about the strategy call for Ferrari, it was assuming Schumacher crashed on purpose.

Yes, the youtube video has been blocked for the Formula 1 owners. What a pity!
If you assume that MS did it on purpose. What for? It seems obvious that he wanted the SC in.
What for? He’s team mate Rosberg and some others could stop and change wheels and all the race strategy changed.
What for? Could you find any credible supposition for that?
Someone like MS acting this way looking for what?
Could you tell me?

To get Rosberg a better strategy would be the most obvious answer.

In anyevent a driver crashing on purpose is a very serious event, please send your proof of this occurring to the FIA.

Do you seriously think that MS did such an enormous crime just to get a better strategy to Rosberg. In fact, did actually improve Rosberg position in the race. I don’t think that. He was in a very good position when he stopped after changing wheels, he could improve his options with that move or just the opposite.
Do you know what the FIA’s President Jean Todt has recently said about the MS accident? He called it a “bleak”. And he added that he had his own opinion about what happened in the race but he preferred to keep it for himself.
Have you noticed that the results of the Champioship fitted perfectly with Bernie Ecclestone expressed desires? Emotion till the last race and Sebastian Vettel champion. Well, I suppose that’s a mere coincidence. A mere, convenient and lucrative coincidence.

[Jack Master]

Jack, I think you're alone in this conspiracy theory, none of the respected sites, pundits or officials find any conspiracy in the events in Abu Dhabi. Why would Schumacher spin in the middle of the pack on purpose with a dozen cars coming at him at great speed, I doubt that Michael has a death wish, we all saw how close the Force India came to landing on top of Schumacher's head. Ferrari were not forced into pitting Alonso early, they were trying to cover Webber, the wrong driver!!!

Please, forgot about a conspiracy theory and focus your attention, if you can, in MS accident and tell me if you agree or disagree with me.
At Singapore 08 none of the pundits and officials said anything and it was so obvious.
MS has a nice record of accidents on purpose along his long and successful career. When he did what he did I’m sure he never thought that it could be so dangerous. Remember Nelsinho, he wasn’t afraid at all. Lately they have been so many accidents in Formula 1 without serious consequences. Security has improved a lot in Formula 1.
Ferrari were not forced to pit, but the mistake of his strategist was so, so big. And it wouldn’t had consequences without the MS action.

[Juliet P]

Jack, I think you're alone in this conspiracy theory, none of the respected sites, pundits or officials find any conspiracy in the events in Abu Dhabi. Why would Schumacher spin in the middle of the pack on purpose with a dozen cars coming at him at great speed, I doubt that Michael has a death wish, we all saw how close the Force India came to landing on top of Schumacher's head. Ferrari were not forced into pitting Alonso early, they were trying to cover Webber, the wrong driver!!!

Please, forgot about a conspiracy theory and focus your attention, if you can, in MS accident and tell me if you agree or disagree with me.
At Singapore 08 none of the pundits and officials said anything and it was so obvious.
MS has a nice record of accidents on purpose along his long and successful career. When he did what he did I’m sure he never thought that it could be so dangerous. Remember Nelsinho, he wasn’t afraid at all. Lately they have been so many accidents in Formula 1 without serious consequences. Security has improved a lot in Formula 1.
Ferrari were not forced to pit, but the mistake of his strategist was so, so big. And it wouldn’t had consequences without the MS action.

The difference is all of MS's previous "accidents on purpose" were to benefit Michael Schumacher - not somebody else!! What could Michael Schumacher possibly care about more than himself? He's not like Nelson Piquet Jr - a weak, impressionable boy who was vulnerable to pressure and influence. There is no conceivable way that Schumi did this voluntarily to help somebody else.