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[KyrosV]

I think Mclaren should protest by not racing in brazil

[darwin dali]

I think Mclaren should protest by not racing in brazil

What a brilliant idea

[Tony_sa]

I think Mclaren should protest by not racing in brazil

If you eva come to SA let me know..... any chance you can call ron dennis and suggest that to him..???

[AKR]

I think Mclaren should protest by not racing in brazil

What a brilliant idea

Agreed.

[bud]

1. Mclaren have to be careful the FIA do not like them and they need Lewis to have a trouble free Brazil
2. The Mercedes Engine is properly the best all round power unit in F1 and if it did go out to tender they would win it so i believe it was a case of not burning their bridges just in case.

Point one is a definite but I'm just speculating about point two

Isnt the tender going out to a third party? so that wouldnt be any of the current F1 manufacturers. More like Ford or Cosworth or something. I dont think Ferrari, BMW, Renault, Honda or Toyota will like having a Mercedes in there car, That would just be humiliating

no it would be like the ECU tender.

[csrracer]

I think the first thing they need to do to cut costs is get rid of Max and Bernie . Then fine them both a few million dollars for being such asses. If they keep the engine freeze in place teams will not have to spend more money in development on a new engine. That ones a no brainer.
They should make the teams have to share any new engine technology: that way teams without the extra few millions to spend for that last 10 HP could benefit from the millions that Ferrari and Mclaren spend to get that last 10hp. It would also curb Ferrari and Mclaren spending all the extra money if they knew that they would just have to pass that technology on to some of the lesser teams. They should also get rid of the customer car rule, Why turn down anyone who wants to to put money into F1.
I stood by and watched when my 2nd favorite form of racing CART in the USA tried these cost cutting measures, and they don't work, CART is gone. The only race series that this seems to work in is NASCAR and I would be hard pressed to call that racing, a form of Entertainment maybe, if you could call watching cars go around in circles for 4 hours, just to finish under a full course yellow, entertainment.
How about a cap on, wind tunnel days and testing days .The smartest answer is a budget cap on car development, It wouldn't be all that hard to enforce and all the teams would benefit.

[KyrosV]

I think Mclaren should protest by not racing in brazil

If you eva come to SA let me know..... any chance you can call ron dennis and suggest that to him..???

why? what will happen to me in South africa?

[bud]

I think Mclaren should protest by not racing in brazil

If you eva come to SA let me know..... any chance you can call ron dennis and suggest that to him..???

why? what will happen to me in South africa?

If in South Africa you should Ignore red traffic lights! infact just keep driving until you reach an airport!!

[KyrosV]

I think Mclaren should protest by not racing in brazil

If you eva come to SA let me know..... any chance you can call ron dennis and suggest that to him..???

why? what will happen to me in South africa?

If in South Africa you should Ignore red traffic lights! infact just keep driving until you reach an airport!!

they have airports there?

[Gaz]

I think Mclaren should protest by not racing in brazil

If you eva come to SA let me know..... any chance you can call ron dennis and suggest that to him..???

why? what will happen to me in South africa?

If in South Africa you should Ignore red traffic lights! infact just keep driving until you reach an airport!!

they have airports there?

No not really its more like a dirt road that occasionally see's the odd aircraft land and take off very quickly

[Stealthgate007]

Alesi said even the global financial crisis is no justification for the proposal.

"It has nothing to do with it," he said, "but rather it is a very deep and very complicated political issue, about which I do not want to say any more."

"It goes for all manufacturers. It is in effect asking BMW, Toyota or Mercedes to sack their engineers and buy an engine from the supermarket."

Alesi said that not only should the proposal be withdrawn, its authors should publicly apologise.

That about sums it up.

[KyrosV]

Alesi said even the global financial crisis is no justification for the proposal.

"It has nothing to do with it," he said, "but rather it is a very deep and very complicated political issue, about which I do not want to say any more."

"It goes for all manufacturers. It is in effect asking BMW, Toyota or Mercedes to sack their engineers and buy an engine from the supermarket."

Alesi said that not only should the proposal be withdrawn, its authors should publicly apologise.

That about sums it up.

see Alesi is a Legend! that sums it up well

[McLaren Fan]

Alesi said even the global financial crisis is no justification for the proposal.

"It has nothing to do with it," he said, "but rather it is a very deep and very complicated political issue, about which I do not want to say any more."

"It goes for all manufacturers. It is in effect asking BMW, Toyota or Mercedes to sack their engineers and buy an engine from the supermarket."

Alesi said that not only should the proposal be withdrawn, its authors should publicly apologise.

Well said, Jean. He's got it spot on. (Formula One legend! )

I had to laugh at Ecclestone's comments the other day about why the manufacturers are unhappy. He said they should be pleased because they are saving money! Either Ecclestone is playing dumb or he has completely missed the point that: a) Formula One is meant to be about technological innovation; b) Formula One is meant to be about people coming up with their own designs and testing them against others; c) that car manufacturers do this for advertising purposes and to showcase their engineering prowess; d) and the money they spend on innovation is worth it not only because of the publicity value of being in Formula One, but because the technology can be incorporated into their road cars, particularly the high-performance end of the market.

[McLaren Fan]

From autosport.com:

FIA responds to Ferrari's quit threat

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, October 28th 2008, 14:39 GMT

An FIA logo reflected on a Ferrari truckThe FIA has played down the significance of Ferrari's threat to quit Formula One if a standard engine is introduced - claiming that the onus is on the teams, not the governing body, to come up with better cost-cutting regulations.

Ferrari's Board published a statement on Monday night saying that the Italian team would consider their future in F1 if the FIA pressed ahead with the introduction of standard power plants from 2010.

Although that move, coming just hours after Toyota reiterated their threat to withdraw over the matter, has moved the standard engine to the centre of the debate over future rules changes - the FIA says the teams have already been offered clear alternatives.

This was laid out to the teams in a letter from FIA president Max Mosley last month stating that there were three options for teams with regards to future engine regulations - a standard engine, an engine from a single supplier or the supply of customer power units to independent teams for less than 5 million Euros per season.

The FIA issued its response to Ferrari's stance on Tuesday, suggesting that it was not its responsibility to back down simply because teams were unhappy about action that could be taken to shore up the sport's future.

The FIA statement said: "The FIA has noted the press statement issued by the Ferrari Board of Directors.

"It seems the Ferrari Board were misinformed. The FIA has offered the teams three options, one of which is the so-called standard engine, and another that the manufacturers should jointly guarantee to supply power trains to the independent teams for less than €5m per season.

"The FIA is delighted by Ferrari's financial success and hopes this will be maintained. However a number of teams find themselves facing costs which greatly exceed income. This is not sustainable.

"It is now for the manufacturers to agree one of the three FIA options or themselves produce concrete proposals to reduce costs to a sustainable level."

Although clearly hoping that the teams can come up with a proposal that satisfies it, the FIA has made it clear that it will take whatever action is necessary to ensure the survival of the all teams – even if it means a standard engine.

Referring to the consequences of the teams not agreeing on one of the two alternative options, the FIA said: "If neither happens. The FIA will take whatever measures prove necessary to preserve a credible world championship for both drivers and constructors."

Discussions between the Formula One Teams' Association (FOTA) and FIA president Max Mosley in Geneva last week resulted in plans for a customer power plant deal being discussed – although at a cost of 10 million Euros per season.

[scotty]

Hmm, i should've know the FIA would come back with some wishy-washy political answer soaked in