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[vaptin]

One of the bbc blogs suggested that Hamilton ruined his tyres, his annoyance displayed on the radio wasn't really about technical feedback was it? Of course if it purely was Hamilton would not have said it with emotion, but it wasn't even the main reason, he was just pissed that he let Alonso through, couldn't get past Hulkenburg, was not fighting for the championship at that time etc.

He's moaned before this season, do I get to say I don't want him to be world champion cos I'm fed up of his whining on the radio? Or call him a baby or something?

I won't, and it hasn't changed my opinions on his championship credentials, but I think it again displays Hamilton still needs to develop his maturity. A lot of people seem to praise his raceboy attitude, personally I prefer the calmer measured approach that takes into account the big picture, of course that driver still needs a ruthless streak. Of course all drivers make mistakes, and loose it, just think in Lewis's case its more of a ingrained personality characteristic.

I like the strategic element, Jenson Button if you like.

Of course fantastic pace and overtaking is good as well.

In a roundbout way, I'm almost suggesting Lewis learns from Jenson, in terms of sometimes playing it cautious and maximising your consistency and finishing on the podiums, even within a race - ie saving the tyres for a later stage instead of instantly using up the new rubbber, and particularly playing the strategy game. When he gets into trouble, Lewis perfers to blitz it through, Jenson prefers to side-step it.

I don't think any of that will have a net negative impact on the effectiveness of Lewis's driving.

Just my opinion.

[Robert12010]

One of the bbc blogs suggested that Hamilton ruined his tyres, his annoyance displayed on the radio wasn't really about technical feedback was it? Of course if it purely was Hamilton would not have said it with emotion, but it wasn't even the main reason, he was just pissed that he let Alonso through, couldn't get past Hulkenburg, was not fighting for the championship at that time etc.

He's moaned before this season, do I get to say I don't want him to be world champion cos I'm fed up of his whining on the radio? Or call him a baby or something?

I won't, and it hasn't changed my opinions on his championship credentials, but I think it again displays Hamilton still needs to develop his maturity. A lot of people seem to praise his raceboy attitude, personally I prefer the calmer measured approach that takes into account the big picture, of course that driver still needs a ruthless streak. Of course all drivers make mistakes, and loose it, just think in Lewis's case its more of a ingrained personality characteristic.

I like the strategic element, Jenson Button if you like.

Of course fantastic pace and overtaking is good as well.

In a roundbout way, I'm almost suggesting Lewis learns from Jenson, in terms of sometimes playing it cautious and maximising your consistency and finishing on the podiums, even within a race - ie saving the tyres for a later stage instead of instantly using up the new rubbber, and particularly playing the strategy game. When he gets into trouble, Lewis perfers to blitz it through, Jenson prefers to side-step it.

I don't think any of that will have a net negative impact on the effectiveness of Lewis's driving.

Just my opinion.

yeah your right mate, the getting the car sideways at total ease ( in the early days more anyway), but hes starting to mature more and more as each year goes on and i think having a calm personality like jenson is ideal for lewis, because he can learn from jenson and then start to develop into a great all rounder speed, precision, experience and mental tougness ( i think this is where alonso has done good for the second half of the season due to these factors)

[texasmr2]

A lot of people seem to praise his raceboy attitude, personally I prefer the calmer measured approach that takes into account the big picture, of course that driver still needs a ruthless streak. Of course all drivers make mistakes, and loose it, just think in Lewis's case its more of a ingrained personality characteristic.

In Lewis's defense I believe he will eventually acquire those said crafts but a 'polishing' is still in order. Will he acquire them I don't know and only the future will tell but until then I agree with vaptin.

[The Ram]

One of the bbc blogs suggested that Hamilton ruined his tyres, his annoyance displayed on the radio wasn't really about technical feedback was it? Of course if it purely was Hamilton would not have said it with emotion, but it wasn't even the main reason, he was just pissed that he let Alonso through, couldn't get past Hulkenburg, was not fighting for the championship at that time etc.

He's moaned before this season, do I get to say I don't want him to be world champion cos I'm fed up of his whining on the radio? Or call him a baby or something?

I won't, and it hasn't changed my opinions on his championship credentials, but I think it again displays Hamilton still needs to develop his maturity. A lot of people seem to praise his raceboy attitude, personally I prefer the calmer measured approach that takes into account the big picture, of course that driver still needs a ruthless streak. Of course all drivers make mistakes, and loose it, just think in Lewis's case its more of a ingrained personality characteristic.

I like the strategic element, Jenson Button if you like.

Of course fantastic pace and overtaking is good as well.

In a roundbout way, I'm almost suggesting Lewis learns from Jenson, in terms of sometimes playing it cautious and maximising your consistency and finishing on the podiums, even within a race - ie saving the tyres for a later stage instead of instantly using up the new rubbber, and particularly playing the strategy game. When he gets into trouble, Lewis perfers to blitz it through, Jenson prefers to side-step it.

I don't think any of that will have a net negative impact on the effectiveness of Lewis's driving.

Just my opinion.

yeah your right mate, the getting the car sideways at total ease ( in the early days more anyway), but hes starting to mature more and more as each year goes on and i think having a calm personality like jenson is ideal for lewis, because he can learn from jenson and then start to develop into a great all rounder speed, precision, experience and mental tougness ( i think this is where alonso has done good for the second half of the season due to these factors)

Learn from Jenson?

Learn what? How to be slow?

There is nothing wrong with Hamilton's driving. He knows when to conserve already. Watch Canada, Turkey, Korea, Brazil, Germany etc.. The only thing Jenson could possibly teach lewis are things that cannot be taught at all - that is experience and gambling.

Lets face it, Jenson, the reigning World Champion with TEN years of experience, who MADE ZERO MISTAKES over the whole year, No refueling so his smooth driving style will surely shine, Smaller front tyres so his car will be rear stable (Just how button likes it), and a Principal who loves him so dearly - Crushingly dominated by a snot nosed, PR robbot Liar, with 3 plus years experience and an unreliable car. Just saying I am pretty sure Jenson is the one that's taking notes. I have even heard that he's addicted to Hamilton's telemetry like crack...

[The Ram]

A lot of people seem to praise his raceboy attitude, personally I prefer the calmer measured approach that takes into account the big picture, of course that driver still needs a ruthless streak. Of course all drivers make mistakes, and loose it, just think in Lewis's case its more of a ingrained personality characteristic.

In Lewis's defense I believe he will eventually acquire those said crafts but a 'polishing' is still in order. Will he acquire them I don't know and only the future will tell but until then I agree with vaptin.

Polishing in what way? At which points in the season did he look unpolished?

Korea? Brazil? Singapore? Monza?

It's all in the car. Driving at the borders of constraint is not a sign of dullness of driver's skill. I don't know why people would think that. Yes, mistakes are more costly in that mode of driving but If the car was more forgiving the cost of those mistakes can be easily depreciated. For instance the RedBull and the Ferrari: how many times this season has any Ferrari or redBull driver's brakes(or more correctly tyres) maxed out before braking into a corner? Not once... And here we have Hamilton who cannot even go back to his old late braking driving style, trying to outbrake other cars, but the tyres just won't hold up (Korea, Brazil, Malaysia, China). It's obvious that Hamilton is driving the car to its limits taking it places it doesn't belong so It's not that he is making mistakes while doing that, it's simply that the cars braking limits are lower and the tyre warming inconsistent so the Limits change. Notice that Hamilton admitted fault in Monza, but not in Spa, Korea or Brazil? Remember how Jenson was CRAP in Brazil qualy, but on pace in the race?

Measured driving is all all down to the difficulty of the car IMO.

[FRAFPDD]

A lot of people seem to praise his raceboy attitude, personally I prefer the calmer measured approach that takes into account the big picture, of course that driver still needs a ruthless streak. Of course all drivers make mistakes, and loose it, just think in Lewis's case its more of a ingrained personality characteristic.

In Lewis's defense I believe he will eventually acquire those said crafts but a 'polishing' is still in order. Will he acquire them I don't know and only the future will tell but until then I agree with vaptin.

Polishing in what way? At which points in the season did he look unpolished?

Korea? Brazil? Singapore? Monza?

It's all in the car. Driving at the borders of constraint is not a sign of dullness of driver's skill. I don't know why people would think that. Yes, mistakes are more costly in that mode of driving but If the car was more forgiving the cost of those mistakes can be easily depreciated. For instance the RedBull and the Ferrari: how many times this season has any Ferrari or redBull driver's brakes(or more correctly tyres) maxed out before braking into a corner? Not once... And here we have Hamilton who cannot even go back to his old late braking driving style, trying to outbrake other cars, but the tyres just won't hold up (Korea, Brazil, Malaysia, China). It's obvious that Hamilton is driving the car to its limits taking it places it doesn't belong so It's not that he is making mistakes while doing that, it's simply that the cars braking limits are lower and the tyre warming inconsistent so the Limits change. Notice that Hamilton admitted fault in Monza, but not in Spa, Korea or Brazil? Remember how Jenson was CRAP in Brazil qualy, but on pace in the race?

Measured driving is all all down to the difficulty of the car IMO.

STOP GIVING US A BAD NAME!

[texasmr2]

Thank you ! I have given up trying to help install some common sense in 'Da Ram', a thorough polishing is in order for him aswell and is past the expiration date .

[Robert12010]

One of the bbc blogs suggested that Hamilton ruined his tyres, his annoyance displayed on the radio wasn't really about technical feedback was it? Of course if it purely was Hamilton would not have said it with emotion, but it wasn't even the main reason, he was just pissed that he let Alonso through, couldn't get past Hulkenburg, was not fighting for the championship at that time etc.

He's moaned before this season, do I get to say I don't want him to be world champion cos I'm fed up of his whining on the radio? Or call him a baby or something?

I won't, and it hasn't changed my opinions on his championship credentials, but I think it again displays Hamilton still needs to develop his maturity. A lot of people seem to praise his raceboy attitude, personally I prefer the calmer measured approach that takes into account the big picture, of course that driver still needs a ruthless streak. Of course all drivers make mistakes, and loose it, just think in Lewis's case its more of a ingrained personality characteristic.

I like the strategic element, Jenson Button if you like.

Of course fantastic pace and overtaking is good as well.

In a roundbout way, I'm almost suggesting Lewis learns from Jenson, in terms of sometimes playing it cautious and maximising your consistency and finishing on the podiums, even within a race - ie saving the tyres for a later stage instead of instantly using up the new rubbber, and particularly playing the strategy game. When he gets into trouble, Lewis perfers to blitz it through, Jenson prefers to side-step it.

I don't think any of that will have a net negative impact on the effectiveness of Lewis's driving.

Just my opinion.

yeah your right mate, the getting the car sideways at total ease ( in the early days more anyway), but hes starting to mature more and more as each year goes on and i think having a calm personality like jenson is ideal for lewis, because he can learn from jenson and then start to develop into a great all rounder speed, precision, experience and mental tougness ( i think this is where alonso has done good for the second half of the season due to these factors)

Learn from Jenson?

Learn what? How to be slow?

There is nothing wrong with Hamilton's driving. He knows when to conserve already. Watch Canada, Turkey, Korea, Brazil, Germany etc.. The only thing Jenson could possibly teach lewis are things that cannot be taught at all - that is experience and gambling.

Lets face it, Jenson, the reigning World Champion with TEN years of experience, who MADE ZERO MISTAKES over the whole year, No refueling so his smooth driving style will surely shine, Smaller front tyres so his car will be rear stable (Just how button likes it), and a Principal who loves him so dearly - Crushingly dominated by a snot nosed, PR robbot Liar, with 3 plus years experience and an unreliable car. Just saying I am pretty sure Jenson is the one that's taking notes. I have even heard that he's addicted to Hamilton's telemetry like crack...

no of course lewis's driving ability is great, all i was saying that he will learn to see the bigger picture so to speak as time goes on so he will be able handle different scenarios even better thean what he does which is what david coulthard said in f1 racing magazine and hes is maturing all the time too!

[stonemonkey]

The new rubber next year could throw this discussion very much one way or the other, will the new tyres prefer it rough or gentle?

[MattMK45]

If I'm honest I would like to see some more conflict between them for some reason. Surely something has to snap.

[racechick]

He overcooked his pitlane entrance. It's not the first time he's been on poor tires. He's a professional...he should have backed off on the pitlane. Further, he knows it. He admits it. His fans...do not.

Er...I just described him doing exactly that And the tyres werent just poor they were down to canvas. No excuse, just fact

[darwin dali]

The new rubber next year could throw this discussion very much one way or the other, will the new tyres prefer it rough or gentle?

I know what I'd prefer...

[texasmr2]

The new rubber next year could throw this discussion very much one way or the other, will the new tyres prefer it rough or gentle?

I know what I'd prefer...

Is it hot in here or is it just me?

[Robert12010]

If I'm honest I would like to see some more conflict between them for some reason. Surely something has to snap.

i would prefer lewis and jenson not to snap and go in the way like other teams have ( red bull, ferrari)

[MattMK45]

If I'm honest I would like to see some more conflict between them for some reason. Surely something has to snap.

i would prefer lewis and jenson not to snap and go in the way like other teams have ( red bull, ferrari)

I guess so, it's good entertainment. Mind you like you said it's better to watch it in other teams.