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[Hammer278]

It's kind of odd, generally I think if the car's working well it's pretty even between them but if the handling's not so good then Hamilton can get more out of it. It didn't really seem like that in Brazil though, Button was terrible in quali but managed the race much better and I wouldn't be surprised if Button had let Hamilton come out the pits in front of him.

Not a chance in hell

McLaren could've brought Lewis in much earlier as he was complaining about no grip in his tyres, but they could see he was still gaining time on Jenson with those tyres and kept him out till he built the gap back up to make it in front.

I think it was the other way around, Jenson was gaining on Lewis because of his unhappy tires and they decided that if they kept him out any longer Jenson might get too close for comfort so they decided to pull Lewis in so that the gap he had created could be put to use.

I believe then McLaren would've brought him in much earlier as he was losing time? There was no one behind Jenson remember, or at least no one was close. If Lewis was losing time (and he radioed the team saying he "has no grip") the team told him to just keep going. Why keep going if you're losing time on those tyres.

[Robert12010]

It's kind of odd, generally I think if the car's working well it's pretty even between them but if the handling's not so good then Hamilton can get more out of it. It didn't really seem like that in Brazil though, Button was terrible in quali but managed the race much better and I wouldn't be surprised if Button had let Hamilton come out the pits in front of him.

Not a chance in hell

McLaren could've brought Lewis in much earlier as he was complaining about no grip in his tyres, but they could see he was still gaining time on Jenson with those tyres and kept him out till he built the gap back up to make it in front.

I think it was the other way around, Jenson was gaining on Lewis because of his unhappy tires and they decided that if they kept him out any longer Jenson might get too close for comfort so they decided to pull Lewis in so that the gap he had created could be put to use.

I believe then McLaren would've brought him in much earlier as he was losing time? There was no one behind Jenson remember, or at least no one was close. If Lewis was losing time (and he radioed the team saying he "has no grip") the team told him to just keep going. Why keep going if you're losing time on those tyres.

well i think he had to stay out as long as possible because of the amount of traffic from the midfield runners once he passed hulkneburg!

[nish2280]

It's kind of odd, generally I think if the car's working well it's pretty even between them but if the handling's not so good then Hamilton can get more out of it. It didn't really seem like that in Brazil though, Button was terrible in quali but managed the race much better and I wouldn't be surprised if Button had let Hamilton come out the pits in front of him.

Not a chance in hell

McLaren could've brought Lewis in much earlier as he was complaining about no grip in his tyres, but they could see he was still gaining time on Jenson with those tyres and kept him out till he built the gap back up to make it in front.

I think it was the other way around, Jenson was gaining on Lewis because of his unhappy tires and they decided that if they kept him out any longer Jenson might get too close for comfort so they decided to pull Lewis in so that the gap he had created could be put to use.

I believe then McLaren would've brought him in much earlier as he was losing time? There was no one behind Jenson remember, or at least no one was close. If Lewis was losing time (and he radioed the team saying he "has no grip") the team told him to just keep going. Why keep going if you're losing time on those tyres.

Because i think there is sort of an equilibrium, so if you go past that point you start loosing time and i think they miscalculated by a lap or so which resulted in Jenson gaining on him momentarily before they brought Lewis in. If you saw where Lewis came out Jenson was about 5 seconds behind him. So i dont think it was a do or die situation, just a minor miscalculation that resulted in Jenson closing the gap, momentarily.

[Hammer278]

Nish you can trust me when I say I was watching the gap very closely alright? My main requirement for Lewis was to come out in front of his teammate (as the other guys were out of reach by this point)

The gap around 7-8 laps before Lewis went in was below 20 seconds. When he pitted it was around 22 seconds.

And he came out around half a second - a second maximum, in front of Jenson. 5 seconds is a huge gap mate.

[nish2280]

Nish you can trust me when I say I was watching the gap very closely alright? My main requirement for Lewis was to come out in front of his teammate (as the other guys were out of reach by this point)

The gap around 7-8 laps before Lewis went in was below 20 seconds. When he pitted it was around 22 seconds.

And he came out around half a second - a second maximum, in front of Jenson. 5 seconds is a huge gap mate.

Well then why did he bother pitting? If your right then he was somehow still going faster than Jenson on some VERY worn tires while Jenson was on fairly fresh ones.

[stonemonkey]

It's kind of odd, generally I think if the car's working well it's pretty even between them but if the handling's not so good then Hamilton can get more out of it. It didn't really seem like that in Brazil though, Button was terrible in quali but managed the race much better and I wouldn't be surprised if Button had let Hamilton come out the pits in front of him.

Not a chance in hell

McLaren could've brought Lewis in much earlier as he was complaining about no grip in his tyres, but they could see he was still gaining time on Jenson with those tyres and kept him out till he built the gap back up to make it in front.

Yeah, I've just looked back and Button only lost a couple of tenths to Vettel during Hamiltons stop so that wasn't the case. I was just really saying I wouldn't be surprised as he'd come out just in front of Button who was the one moving up the field and Button had said earlier that although he was racing for himself he knew what he'd have to do for the team if the need arose, or something along those lines.

[Hammer278]

Nish you can trust me when I say I was watching the gap very closely alright? My main requirement for Lewis was to come out in front of his teammate (as the other guys were out of reach by this point)

The gap around 7-8 laps before Lewis went in was below 20 seconds. When he pitted it was around 22 seconds.

And he came out around half a second - a second maximum, in front of Jenson. 5 seconds is a huge gap mate.

Well then why did he bother pitting? If your right then he was somehow still going faster than Jenson on some VERY worn tires while Jenson was on fairly fresh ones.

He wasn't happy with those tyres, was he? Plus, maybe McLaren didn't want another China 2007 episode.

Anyway, I think their point was to just get Lewis ahead of jenson so they don't have to annoy jenson later on over the radio.

[Robert12010]

Nish you can trust me when I say I was watching the gap very closely alright? My main requirement for Lewis was to come out in front of his teammate (as the other guys were out of reach by this point)

The gap around 7-8 laps before Lewis went in was below 20 seconds. When he pitted it was around 22 seconds.

And he came out around half a second - a second maximum, in front of Jenson. 5 seconds is a huge gap mate.

Well then why did he bother pitting? If your right then he was somehow still going faster than Jenson on some VERY worn tires while Jenson was on fairly fresh ones.

He wasn't happy with those tyres, was he? Plus, maybe McLaren didn't want another China 2007 episode. Anyway, I think their point was to just get Lewis ahead of jenson so they don't have to annoy jenson later on over the radio.

in fairness china07 was a different set of circumstances plusin that race it a wet race from what i remember but correct me
if im wrong on that one

[racechick]

Nish you can trust me when I say I was watching the gap very closely alright? My main requirement for Lewis was to come out in front of his teammate (as the other guys were out of reach by this point)

The gap around 7-8 laps before Lewis went in was below 20 seconds. When he pitted it was around 22 seconds.

And he came out around half a second - a second maximum, in front of Jenson. 5 seconds is a huge gap mate.

Well then why did he bother pitting? If your right then he was somehow still going faster than Jenson on some VERY worn tires while Jenson was on fairly fresh ones.

He wasn't happy with those tyres, was he? Plus, maybe McLaren didn't want another China 2007 episode. Anyway, I think their point was to just get Lewis ahead of jenson so they don't have to annoy jenson later on over the radio.

in fairness china07 was a different set of circumstances plusin that race it a wet race from what i remember but correct me
if im wrong on that one

It was very different. he was a rookie then. It was wet and he was leftt out after saying his tryes were bald (You could see on the televison that they were bald!) Then when he hit the wetter pit lane he slid into the gravel.

[texasmr2]

These PR excuses for Lewis never cease to amaze me .

[Robert12010]

These PR excuses for Lewis never cease to amaze me .

well that is the facts you know!

[billindenver]

He overcooked his pitlane entrance. It's not the first time he's been on poor tires. He's a professional...he should have backed off on the pitlane. Further, he knows it. He admits it. His fans...do not.

[What's Burning?]

He overcooked his pitlane entrance. It's not the first time he's been on poor tires. He's a professional...he should have backed off on the pitlane. Further, he knows it. He admits it. His fans...do not.

It appears only Lewis Hamilton fans upset you more than Lewis Hamilton. Your posts exhibit an unhealthy all consuming obsessiveness on the subject.

[nish2280]

He overcooked his pitlane entrance. It's not the first time he's been on poor tires. He's a professional...he should have backed off on the pitlane. Further, he knows it. He admits it. His fans...do not.

It appears only Lewis Hamilton fans upset you more than Lewis Hamilton. Your posts exhibit an unhealthy all consuming obsessiveness on the subject.

I'm on the same boat as him. I dont hate Hamilton, heck, i supported him in 2008. SOME of his fans (not you What's Burning) are really annoying as they cannot admit that he makes mistakes. There is always an excuse hanging around, always someone to blame (see thread which blames Alonso for causing Monza incident) and SOME of them go into a discussion as if not a single word anyone can say will change their holier-than-god impression of him.

[texasmr2]

He overcooked his pitlane entrance. It's not the first time he's been on poor tires. He's a professional...he should have backed off on the pitlane. Further, he knows it. He admits it. His fans...do not.

It appears only Lewis Hamilton fans upset you more than Lewis Hamilton. Your posts exhibit an unhealthy all consuming obsessiveness on the subject.

Its only because Bill has a sense of clarity towards the facts and does not use the excuses Lewis's fans do. The simple fact is I think we all realize that Lewis is the real deal but some do not constantly make excuses for their drivers errors.