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[racechick]

The lap times show Lewis was faster than Alonso (though not as fast as Perez.) And I still dont understand why McLaren asked Jenson to pit before Lewis...giving him the lead. What happened to the lead driver gets the first stop policy?

The radio transmission i heard was from Jenson asking to come in as he didn't like the feel of the car.I don't think they wanted him to pit ,or even asked him to.Was just his call,as he said he couldn't drive the car it was that bad.They wanted him to stay out as the weather was changing and thought he would have to stop twice in quickly.But he felt the 20 seconds he lost in the pits he would soon make up with a driveable car.
Did Jenson even have the lead ?

Jenson took the lead after they pitted him first at the second stop. He then crashed. After they changed his nose he couldnt make his tyres work and the car felt funny so he came in for an extra stop to get new inters (this was an extra stop to Lewis). Still pitted first for slicks.

[andrew]

I cannot believe this tedious diagnosis has to take place every single time Lewis doesn't win. And it's the same argument all the time that gets dissected to the bare bone! Bloody hell, it's enough to send a glass eye to sleep...

You're not wrong there chief. It's as tedious and as predictable as the pathetic bashing of a few drivers that goes on. Theses guys are out there flying round a track, a kick in the seat of the pants away from a horrendous crash all for our entertainment (and a hughe salary). You have to resepct someone for doing that even if you don't support them. If this is going to go on all season then the discussion and banter here is going to be totally worthless and I only expect meaningless babble from a few high-ups at work! I'm thinking of blocking a couple of folk as I'm bored of this conspiracy theory claptrap and a couple passive aggressive members. Life's too short for that kind of stuff.

I think I've finally realized who's behind Lewis' misfortunes the last few years.

Too funny!

[McLaren]

The lap times show Lewis was faster than Alonso (though not as fast as Perez.) And I still dont understand why McLaren asked Jenson to pit before Lewis...giving him the lead. What happened to the lead driver gets the first stop policy?

The radio transmission i heard was from Jenson asking to come in as he didn't like the feel of the car.I don't think they wanted him to pit ,or even asked him to.Was just his call,as he said he couldn't drive the car it was that bad.They wanted him to stay out as the weather was changing and thought he would have to stop twice in quickly.But he felt the 20 seconds he lost in the pits he would soon make up with a driveable car.
Did Jenson even have the lead ?

Jenson took the lead after they pitted him first at the second stop. He then crashed. After they changed his nose he couldnt make his tyres work and the car felt funny so he came in for an extra stop to get new inters (this was an extra stop to Lewis). Still pitted first for slicks.

Oh yea forgot about that,although wasn't the reason Jenson came out infront that the rear jack got caught up on Lewis's car? or was that a different stop.i wish I had a memory
Either way the might of been using Jenson as a sighter for Lewis

[Hammer278]

From those radio messages posted by RC I would of thought they were letting Jenson have the risk of going off the track and protecting Lewis from making a change too early.

This. After the first pitstop, Button crashed and was out of points paying position...their strategy will no doubt be different as they both have different things to think about. Button to take risks to catch up, Lewis to be more careful.

From what I saw in the transcriptions, McLaren were being conservative with Lewis. RC, remember it's always riskier for a driver to change tyres in those conditions, instead of driving on tyres you know very well already. They ensured Lewis was not in any danger, yes, they lost time overall but he could afford to. His pace compared to the top two was nothing special...he was either going backwards or on par with Alonso and Perez.

If we took a scenario where Lewis pitted whenever Jenson pitted, he might have had a fighting chance to take 2nd place from Perez. A fighting chance (while gambling TWICE) for second, or consolidating 3rd (ensuring 3rd is almost guaranteed), I can see McLarens logic in this case.

Let's say Lewis and Jenson were driving nose to tail, and then the sequence was as thus....there would be serious questions for Lewis to ask of his team. But they weren't anymore.

[racechick]

The lap times show Lewis was faster than Alonso (though not as fast as Perez.) And I still dont understand why McLaren asked Jenson to pit before Lewis...giving him the lead. What happened to the lead driver gets the first stop policy?

The radio transmission i heard was from Jenson asking to come in as he didn't like the feel of the car.I don't think they wanted him to pit ,or even asked him to.Was just his call,as he said he couldn't drive the car it was that bad.They wanted him to stay out as the weather was changing and thought he would have to stop twice in quickly.But he felt the 20 seconds he lost in the pits he would soon make up with a driveable car.
Did Jenson even have the lead ?

Jenson took the lead after they pitted him first at the second stop. He then crashed. After they changed his nose he couldnt make his tyres work and the car felt funny so he came in for an extra stop to get new inters (this was an extra stop to Lewis). Still pitted first for slicks.

Oh yea forgot about that,although wasn't the reason Jenson came out infront that the rear jack got caught up on Lewis's car? or was that a different stop.i wish I had a memory
Either way the might of been using Jenson as a sighter for Lewis

Its a possibility in that first stop. But Jenson called that stop after the information McLaren gave him...and as the second driver it gave him a clear opportunity to jump the lead driver who was in the same situation as him and not that far ahead.

In the final stop they had ample opportunity to guage the affect of going to slicks. They'd already seen from other drivers they were 5secs faster and advised Button that it was time to change . Relative to Button Lewis lost 12+seconds at that pitstop which would have put him on Alonso's tail and able to fight for the lead. He was as fast as Alonso in this stint.

[racechick]

From those radio messages posted by RC I would of thought they were letting Jenson have the risk of going off the track and protecting Lewis from making a change too early.

This. After the first pitstop, Button crashed and was out of points paying position...their strategy will no doubt be different as they both have different things to think about. Button to take risks to catch up, Lewis to be more careful.

From what I saw in the transcriptions, McLaren were being conservative with Lewis. RC, remember it's always riskier for a driver to change tyres in those conditions, instead of driving on tyres you know very well already. They ensured Lewis was not in any danger, yes, they lost time overall but he could afford to. His pace compared to the top two was nothing special...he was either going backwards or on par with Alonso and Perez.

If we took a scenario where Lewis pitted whenever Jenson pitted, he might have had a fighting chance to take 2nd place from Perez. A fighting chance (while gambling TWICE) for second, or consolidating 3rd (ensuring 3rd is almost guaranteed), I can see McLarens logic in this case.

Let's say Lewis and Jenson were driving nose to tail, and then the sequence was as thus....there would be serious questions for Lewis to ask of his team. But they weren't anymore.

That last pitstop wasnt a gamble. His inters were bald and losing 5 secs a lap at least, much more by the time they brought him in.
I dunno, this just happens too often, very frustrating. Wasnt Ricciardo on sklicks and posting fast times way before this...?

[bud]

Racechick you only see things from one perspective that's your problem. It seems unless Lewis gets pole fastest lap and wins anything but is a conspiracy against him. I think you need help!

[What's Burning?]

From those radio messages posted by RC I would of thought they were letting Jenson have the risk of going off the track and protecting Lewis from making a change too early.

This. After the first pitstop, Button crashed and was out of points paying position...their strategy will no doubt be different as they both have different things to think about. Button to take risks to catch up, Lewis to be more careful.

From what I saw in the transcriptions, McLaren were being conservative with Lewis. RC, remember it's always riskier for a driver to change tyres in those conditions, instead of driving on tyres you know very well already. They ensured Lewis was not in any danger, yes, they lost time overall but he could afford to. His pace compared to the top two was nothing special...he was either going backwards or on par with Alonso and Perez.

If we took a scenario where Lewis pitted whenever Jenson pitted, he might have had a fighting chance to take 2nd place from Perez. A fighting chance (while gambling TWICE) for second, or consolidating 3rd (ensuring 3rd is almost guaranteed), I can see McLarens logic in this case.

Let's say Lewis and Jenson were driving nose to tail, and then the sequence was as thus....there would be serious questions for Lewis to ask of his team. But they weren't anymore.

That last pitstop wasnt a gamble. His inters were bald and losing 5 secs a lap at least, much more by the time they brought him in.
I dunno, this just happens too often, very frustrating. Wasnt Ricciardo on sklicks and posting fast times way before this...?

The thing is RC that the more you have to lose the more of a gamble it would have been to come in and change in case of rain. With all the adversity and conspiracy he's had stacked against him, he's still 2nd in points, the Ferrari win was a fluke due to the weather, so just sit back and watch the season unfold. I don't believe McLaren is cutting their nose off when in the end, the only money earned is via your WCC rank, it just goes against all rationale any team would DO that.

[bud]

WB we had it all last year and it looks like another whole year unless Lewis wins every race. I hope he wins every race from here on now so RC and the similar <EDITED WB> with their nonsensical conspiracy theories. They truelly are in the realms of loonies!

[andrew]

Racechick you only see things from one perspective that's your problem. It seems unless Lewis gets pole fastest lap and wins anything but is a conspiracy against him. I think you need help!

You offering Dr Bud?

[Hammer278]

From those radio messages posted by RC I would of thought they were letting Jenson have the risk of going off the track and protecting Lewis from making a change too early.

This. After the first pitstop, Button crashed and was out of points paying position...their strategy will no doubt be different as they both have different things to think about. Button to take risks to catch up, Lewis to be more careful.

From what I saw in the transcriptions, McLaren were being conservative with Lewis. RC, remember it's always riskier for a driver to change tyres in those conditions, instead of driving on tyres you know very well already. They ensured Lewis was not in any danger, yes, they lost time overall but he could afford to. His pace compared to the top two was nothing special...he was either going backwards or on par with Alonso and Perez.

If we took a scenario where Lewis pitted whenever Jenson pitted, he might have had a fighting chance to take 2nd place from Perez. A fighting chance (while gambling TWICE) for second, or consolidating 3rd (ensuring 3rd is almost guaranteed), I can see McLarens logic in this case.

Let's say Lewis and Jenson were driving nose to tail, and then the sequence was as thus....there would be serious questions for Lewis to ask of his team. But they weren't anymore.

That last pitstop wasnt a gamble. His inters were bald and losing 5 secs a lap at least, much more by the time they brought him in.
I dunno, this just happens too often, very frustrating. Wasnt Ricciardo on sklicks and posting fast times way before this...?

Their last pitstop was the BIGGEST gamble...no one wanted to make that stop till it started raining again. Did you hear the radio transmission from other teams? Everyone said its going to rain, Redbull told Webber twice that he needed to stay on those tyres as they were expecting rain at Turn 3/4.

In the end, when McLaren saw Ferrari and Sauber bite the bullet and come in, they called Lewis in on the next lap. In case they brought Lewis in as the same time as Button...and it started raining, Lewis can kiss his podium goodbye. Everyone else would've stopped once more for inters, while Lewis would've had to stop yet again for inters as well.

[racechick]

Racechick you only see things from me perspective that's your problem. It seems unless Lewis gets pole fastest lap and wins anything but is a conspiracy against him. I think you need help!

There's probably a bit of that involved i grant you. He's my favourite driver etc etc . But take a look around other forums, its being discussed pretty widespread. Of course I like him to get pole and win...not bothered about fastest lap to be honest, but if he doesnt he doesnt, I just want fairplay and Im not sure what going on at the moment

[What's Burning?]

I think Lewis' wheel not falling off after a pitstop last year is proof enough for me.

[racechick]

The thing is RC that the more you have to lose the more of a gamble it would have been to come in and change in case of rain. With all the adversity and conspiracy he's had stacked against him, he's still 2nd in points, the Ferrari win was a fluke due to the weather, so just sit back and watch the season unfold. I don't believe McLaren is cutting their nose off when in the end, the only money earned is via your WCC rank, it just goes against all rationale any team would DO that.

But Button had already told Mclaren that if it rained the inters were shot. And he'd had an extra set to Leiws, Lewis' would have been in a worse condition. They were slow slicks. And surely seeing backmarkers going 5-10 seconds faster on slicks makes it a no brainer. I will sit and watch the season unfold and I honestly hope my concerns are unfounded.

[bud]

Racechick you only see things from me perspective that's your problem. It seems unless Lewis gets pole fastest lap and wins anything but is a conspiracy against him. I think you need help!

There's probably a bit of that involved i grant you. He's my favourite driver etc etc . But take a look around other forums, its being discussed pretty widespread. Of course I like him to get pole and win...not bothered about fastest lap to be honest, but if he doesnt he doesnt, I just want fairplay and Im not sure what going on at the moment

Yes there are other fan boys who think he is also a god and deserves nothing but wins too. Him being beaten can only be because his team f***s him over.

Everything you say offends a team who prides themselves on existing to win. it's just utter bullpoo that they would not want to win for the sake of ruining one of their drivers, I mean take a step back and look what you're saying! It's just plain and simple bullpoo made up by stupid fan boys, who mind you have no idea about F1 or life in general in seems.