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[Gilles 27]

As far as you're concerned, your cat is evolving into f*ck all unless you plan on living for a few million years and see what the domestic tabby turns out like.

Max Mosley is not responsible for the deaths of many people so avoid looking like you don't know what you're on about and don't stick him in a list with Hitler and Mugabe.

People not believing in god(s), creation or anything are not the cause of any personal strife in your or anyone else's life. That's just deeply unlikely. Speaking of likeliness, the fact that life on Earth occurred at all is so miraculous that the complexity and diversity of all the forms of this life that now inhabit the planet is somewhat insignificant in comparison.

[Big Azza]

As far as you're concerned, your cat is evolving into f*ck all unless you plan on living for a few million years and see what the domestic tabby turns out like.

Max Mosley is not responsible for the deaths of many people so avoid looking like you don't know what you're on about and don't stick him in a list with Hitler and Mugabe.

People not believing in god(s), creation or anything are not the cause of any personal strife in your or anyone else's life. That's just deeply unlikely. Speaking of likeliness, the fact that life on Earth occurred at all is so miraculous that the complexity and diversity of all the forms of this life that now inhabit the planet is somewhat insignificant in comparison.

That's what I like to use as evidence of creation.

Yes mankind, and not God are responsible for my problems. Every single problem is man-made!

[Gilles 27]

It's not evidence though, it's just a reason to suspect that Darwin might have got it wrong. The principle problem with creationism is the lack of evidence. It is perhaps not surprising as modern creationism could arguably be considered more of a protest or objection rather than a theory in its own right. Many Christians now accept Darwin's findings as part of their belief and do not find belief in God to compromised by belief in evolution. The modern position of creationists in direct opposition to Darwin's theory is one that has grown out of an objection to and reaction against evolution theory rather than a legitimate search for answers.

[darwin dali]

It's not evidence though, it's just a reason to suspect that Darwin might have got it wrong.

Bullocks! The theory of evolution doesn't make any claims about the ORIGIN of life, so stop confusing things here for poor Big Azza.

[Big Azza]

I think it does compromise everything.

It was the ultimate act of Love that God created us. The most powerful Thing in existence decides to share his existence with us.

I'm trying to think of how best to put compare this. Umm... Okay, not the best one but:

You're mother gave birth to you. And brought you up to be a fine young man. Would you go and thank you're teacher or your principal? Like I said, it's not the best analogy. But it's the most ultimate act of love that you're mother has done to you.

I dunno, catch my drift?

And Darwin wasn't 100 per cent trusting in his own theory. He brought that out a few times....

[Gilles 27]

Yup, I get what you mean. I personally think that the original life might have come from space seriously though, like on a comet or something. For me, it's not a matter of gratitude because i have not personified the forces and processes that I believe are responsible for my existence and the existence of my environment.
I'm not surprised Darwin wasn't 100% convinced of his own theory as he nicked a fair amount of it from people such as Malthus

[bud]

You know what amuses me, is the fact that the likes of McLarenFan and Bud continuously ridicule religions yet why do they feel the need to argue? If the opposition is so weak, surely it isn't worth arguing against?

The typical answer would be "Oh we're trying to prove religion is a fad" ...Why waste your breath? Pointless imo...

maybe because in a thread about EVOLUTION the religious brigade decide to pop their nose in and preach their gospel where obviously its not wanted!
so yea i will argue with them in that instance!

[darwin dali]

It was the ultimate act of Love that God created us. The most powerful Thing in existence decides to share his existence with us.

And you Big Azza stop spouting this baseless nonsense for which there is no shred of evidence and present it to us as if it was true fact. You start to look and sound like these deluded dudes

[Big Azza]

It was the ultimate act of Love that God created us. The most powerful Thing in existence decides to share his existence with us.

And you Big Azza stop spouting this baseless nonsense for which there is no shred of evidence and present it to us as if it was true fact. You start to look and sound like these deluded dudes

I realise that. There is no way for me to prove this. But, I ain't changing. However, I shouldn't get you guys to change either. See, what I'm telling people here is to not rule out creation. But then, that makes me a hypocrite because I've completely ruled out evolution. I was going to say more on this and then I realised, why am I being argumentative about it?

You guys won't change, and I know I won't change. No one will win this argument, and if I was really a Bible Freak I would see this. And I shouldn't persist. So I won't.

If we were just argumentative, no one would invite us back when I'm bible bashing (door knocking) on the weekends. I know for sure that bud will shut the door on the next Jehovah's Witness who comes knocking on his door. And I'm not helping by making us sound narrow minded.

But I see a lot of problems in the world today, that just wouldn't be there if people applied what it says in the Bible. However, that's not what this topic is about.

Bringing up something else for a bit of debate, I saw something in the newspaper the other saying that scientists believe that time did have a beginning. What do you guys think?

[McLaren Fan]

Evolution just can't make sense to me.

It's my or anybody else's fault you're a [EDITED by tex] for content, sorry Chris please dont go there. Perhaps you can blame your imaginary friend for not giving you a powerful enough brain.

And, no, I make no apologies for saying that. You come on here and criticise people who are more educated than you could ever dream of being, with no grounds whatsoever.

Perhaps you'll like to explain to us about bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics. That's natural selection in action that we can see with our eyes. The bacteria which cannot withstand the antibiotics die; it's the end of the road for them. But those which can resist the antibiotics continue to live and reproduce, which results a stronger strain of the bacteria. To counter this, doctors have to give out medication only when necessary, and scientists have to work flat out to develop new antibiotics which can kill the bacteria. In other words, stop people such as yourself not dying of minor ailments.

Natural selection works for anti-virals, too. So, if swine flu lives up to the hype it's getting, it may become resistant to drugs such as Tamiflu. Of course, being a creationist, you'll not want any of this medication; Tamiflu is only for us sinners.

[McLaren Fan]

You're mother gave birth to you. And brought you up to be a fine young man. Would you go and thank you're teacher or your principal? Like I said, it's not the best analogy. But it's the most ultimate act of love that you're mother has done to you.

Eh, no! Because we know who are mothers are (in most cases), and know that humans give birth through the mother of the species (as facile it sounds, it needs to be spelled out to you). We have no evidence for the existence of god(s) and no evidence it was involved in the origin of human life.

I'm not surprised Darwin wasn't 100% convinced of his own theory as he nicked a fair amount of it from people such as Malthus

Well, I guess most academics would be scundered, then, as a lot of theories are corollaries of others, inspired by others, etc. Darwin did his research meticulously for many years, examining plant and animal specimens etc. He saw natural selection with his very own eyes.

Darwin was aware there some problems with his theory, true; but any challenges to evolution on those grounds (such as from the Intelligent Design lobby) have failed, and many of the problems have been explained after 150 years of scientific research. I'm not a Biologist, so I can't explain the detail. DD would know.

You guys won't change, and I know I won't change. No one will win this argument, and if I was really a Bible Freak I would see this.?

Please stop suggesting all of our views are equal. They aren't. The scientific evidence is overwhelming and clearly works in practice. You have no evidence.

[welshie]

I seriously think this has gone far enough now.

[Gaz]

You know what amuses me, is the fact that the likes of McLarenFan and Bud continuously ridicule religions yet why do they feel the need to argue? If the opposition is so weak, surely it isn't worth arguing against?

The typical answer would be "Oh we're trying to prove religion is a fad" ...Why waste your breath? Pointless imo...

maybe because in a thread about EVOLUTION the religious brigade decide to pop their nose in and preach their gospel where obviously its not wanted!
so yea i will argue with them in that instance!

[texasmr2]

I agree with both welshie , Longbow and bud that this thread has turned into nothing useful or constructive concerning the original subject.

tex