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[McLaren Fan]

It will be interesting to hear Bernie's response. If you ever had any doubts that a replacement series needs to be formed, the stewards decision against LH should erase them all.

That is simply a ludicrous idea. If one is so disturbed that it lead's one to quit watching then so beit but how could a replacement serie's REPLACE the real F1 regardless of the FIA's b/s?

The FIA/governing body need's overhauling not F1 as a race serie's.

Ideally, I would love to see Formula One be ruled by an impartial, reformed FIA. However, if this cannot happen, and I'm not sure it will, all of the teams (well, almost all) should look into starting up a breakaway series. What's the point of having a championship which only one team can win? McLaren, Renault, BWM etc. are just competing for second place.

[FerrariFan63]

From what I've been reading online this evening, most Ferrari fans don't believe there was anything for which Hamilton could be penalised, but were happy to see him get penalised. So, I'm afraid, the majority of the tifosi have not got one iota of sportsmanship.

Evidence? I don't see any around here.

I notice there are some lunatics ranting on various forums. From both sides. But the majority of fans, of any teams, are deeply unhappy about the penalty.

[FerrariFan63]

funny thing was that I heard yesterday on Q day that they were questioning the treatment and the arguement against was that ferarri work really hard with the FIA and that they have a really good working relationship. Mmmmm

The only good thing is that the media may get behind this and put pressure on the FIA

That was Ross Brawn. Who was right at the centre of Ferrari during the Schumi years, but is now a competitor to Ferrari.

[McLaren Fan]

I read Ferrari forums and have seen the views of the tifosi. They are deplorable.

[Woolley]

Last week - They didnt crash in the pit so no need to penalise.

This week - Kimi didnt even finish the race so the manuver had no difference in the race outcome - Penalised

[FerrariFan63]

I read Ferrari forums and have seen the views of the tifosi. They are deplorable.

I read this forum and seen your views. They are deplorable.

I asked for evidence. Not some half-baked personal assertion.

[Jame_Shunt]

Well, it was pretty bad, but if you want to get someone to take notice, don't get in touch with the FIA or Ferrari; get in touch with their sponsors and explain to them that you, as a long time fan of the sport, are becoming very concerned about the state of the game, and the way that it reflects on their noble, dosh dispensing, fine and upstanding company.

If the various sponsors, implored by us chaps, start indicating a discomfort at what is going on and the way it is affecting their target audience, then you can bet that the silver syruped muppet et al. will soon start feeling a little more awkward whilst queueing for their pensions.

We should always bare this in mind, wee Bernie has no affection for Britain, British Drivers, British teams and the influence the disseminated British knowledge and skills base has within F1, and in fact resents it greatly. He wanted to punish us by getting rid of the British GP the other year, and it was only that British influence throughout the sport that prevented him from doing it. Money is his God, and only a threat to that can make him take notice.

Threats of boycotts don't work because we do love the sport and are not really too keen on cutting off our noses to spite our faces, and letters and petitions to people who do not give a damn aren't worth a damn.

So don't contact 'them', contact the people they will listen to.

[McLaren Fan]

I read Ferrari forums and have seen the views of the tifosi. They are deplorable.

I read this forum and seen your views. They are deplorable.

I asked for evidence. Not some half-baked personal assertion.

Okay, evidence. On a Ferrari forum I was reading an hour or so ago, sixty something percent of its members voted that Hamilton was justly penalised. Is that evidence enough for you?

[FerrariFan63]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70404

McLaren says that they have no choice but to appeal.

[FerrariFan63]

Okay, evidence. On a Ferrari forum I was reading an hour or so ago, sixty something percent of its members voted that Hamilton was justly penalised. Is that evidence enough for you?

Not without a link, it's not.

[Rivelution]

Hamilton clearly gained an advantage for cutting that corner. If it would have been a normal gravel pit he would not have been on Kimi's gearbox right after the chicane. However Kimi crashed from his own mistake thus giving Hamilton the win even if he would've lost time from cutting that corner if it were a gravel pit. This decision clearly shows how corrupt the FIA is, and they always have been. I'm not saying this is another Senna-Hamilton comparison, but this reminds me of when Senna was disqualified at Suzuka in '89 for having 'gained an advantage' for cutting the chicane after the famous accident with Prost. The FIA was corrupt then, is corrupt now, and will always be corrupt.

[cap-dude]

Nicholas Deschaux, Surinder Thatthi, and Yves Bacquelaine.
Those are the names of the 3 Stewards who decided upon the penalty.
Heres the link to it all too.
http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type ... l&id=43855


But heres the killer.
Charlie Whiting reported the incident, the same man who told McLaren, no breach of the rules was made. Its all in that document, saying the incident was reported by the race director, who last time I checked, was Charlie Whiting.

[FerrariFan63]

Threats of boycotts don't work because we do love the sport and are not really too keen on cutting off our noses to spite our faces, and letters and petitions to people who do not give a damn aren't worth a damn.

So don't contact 'them', contact the people they will listen to.

If people could actually get their digits out of their orifices and organised a worldwide petition that got a large number of signatures, that would lead to publicity which would lead to people the FIA listening to becoming concerned. I raise this point not because I'm pushing such a petition myself, but to show how those people moaning about the decision aren't sufficiently motivated to do anything practical or effective about it.

[Caballo de Fuerza]

I can belive this sh

This is the begining of the end of F1, the FIA is really made a big mistake here. I hve seen the replay 100 times and Halmilton did what he was supoosed to, left Raikone pass him again and then when back after him and passed him cleanly. Since Raikone penalized himself by crashing then FIA (no de FIAr) had to give the race to FIArrari, bunch of

I tell you I have spent thousands of U$ to travel and see the grand prix but sorry FIA I will not give a penny more. I'll now whatch it on TV and I might once and for all just give my support to the INDI.

Tis is bs and FIA are a bunch of Moth*** F

[McLaren Fan]

Okay, evidence. On a Ferrari forum I was reading an hour or so ago, sixty something percent of its members voted that Hamilton was justly penalised. Is that evidence enough for you?

Not without a link, it's not.

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/poll. ... pollid=313

It's gone down to 54% since I last looked. Still, let me give you some wonderful quotes:

'Why can't McLaren/Mercedes people post on their blog instead of the Ferrari blog? Also, why can't then win without cheating? Why can't they build a car that can win in anything other than F1 where they cheat?'

'Rules are rules
so yes.

'Ron uses every trick in the book and some not in there (last year) to gain an advantage.'

'justice!'

'AWSOME ! !

'Great news'

Thankfully, some Ferrari fans see sense, but that fact that over half of them still think what happened was in some way fair is shameful.