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By scotty
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If they say they are getting rid of it, i might have to nip down the A50 and chain myself to it in protest. :P
By Marc
#71031
What a nonsense and nothing at all to do with Bernie owning a portion of Donnington and being refused Silverstone.

1. Donnington has lowsy logistics. It's only 2 miles from the M1 but has a single highway access which can get gridlocked in snail mating season.
2. It's under the glide pathe for East Midlands airport. So, in the rain, there is a really dangerous slippy residue all over the track which makes it leathel.
3. In it's current guise it is too short and too narrow. I've raced motorbikes here and overtaking on them can be 'exciting'!
4. There is no ambulance access to the center of the track and no outer ring road. So, it wouldn't be able to meet with the possible extreme needs of an F1 meet.

Basically, the track needs to be moved, lengthened, widened, and central access be improved before it would challenge any other F1 venue. On top of that, the government needs to spend millions and millions in improving the highways around the circuit just like the £25m spent on Silverstone's arterial routes in the last 10 years. Sure, I can just see that happening... and all in this 18 months.

Get real.. If it is attempted, it'll be a farce and there'll be no GB GP in 2011.

Somebody just throw Bernie the bung that he's working so hard for and we'll keep it at Silverstone! :banghead:
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By racechick
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What a nonsense and nothing at all to do with Bernie owning a portion of Donnington and being refused Silverstone.

1. Donnington has lowsy logistics. It's only 2 miles from the M1 but has a single highway access which can get gridlocked in snail mating season.
2. It's under the glide pathe for East Midlands airport. So, in the rain, there is a really dangerous slippy residue all over the track which makes it leathel.
3. In it's current guise it is too short and too narrow. I've raced motorbikes here and overtaking on them can be 'exciting'!
4. There is no ambulance access to the center of the track and no outer ring road. So, it wouldn't be able to meet with the possible extreme needs of an F1 meet.

Basically, the track needs to be moved, lengthened, widened, and central access be improved before it would challenge any other F1 venue. On top of that, the government needs to spend millions and millions in improving the highways around the circuit just like the £25m spent on Silverstone's arterial routes in the last 10 years. Sure, I can just see that happening... and all in this 18 months.

Get real.. If it is attempted, it'll be a farce and there'll be no GB GP in 2011.

Somebody just throw Bernie the bung that he's working so hard for and we'll keep it at Silverstone! :banghead:


Absolutely! Well said.
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From autosport.com:

Mention Donington, and three distinctly different images spring to my mind: the sight and sound of Bernd Rosemeyer manhandling his aluminium silver Auto Union through gates and farmyards in 1938, Ayrton Senna on that opening lap of the 1993 European Grand Prix, and the rows of delectable machinery gathered in the five sheds making up the Donington Collection.

But, Simon Gillett, CEO of Donington Park Leisure Limited, is aiming to add a fourth to the mix, namely 'Home of the British Grand Prix', and is moving earth and heaven to make it happen.

Only a blinded enthusiast or exceptionally brave man presents what many believe to be a pie-in-the-sky plan to save the endangered race to an auditorium full of hardened motorsport professionals and media members, but, all credit where it is due: Gillett did just that during the annual Motorsport Business Forum in Monaco last week.
Donington Park CEO Simon Gillett © LAT

But, then 37-year-old Gillett, as son of Elf's former motorsport manager and a British motocross championship competitor in his own right, could be said to fit the first category, whilst an armed forces record which includes tours of duty in the first Gulf War and the robust manner in which he faces down his critics prove he is most certainly no wimp.

Add in that he found fortune over a period of 12 years via his computer software business, and it is clear that Donington has a multi-talented individual (a term which fits Gillett perfectly) at its helm.

But, are these characteristics enough to save a race he ardently believes was headed for the scrap heap before he took up the challenge, or does he need a whole lot more beside?

One thing the project certainly needs is funding - about 100 million quids' worth - whilst the goodwill of an airport's management recently angered by a variety of incidents would certainly not go amiss. Throw in the fact that planning permission for vital upgrading of circuit and infrastructure has not yet been obtained before reflecting on the number of circuits that have recently given notice to commercial rights' holder Bernie Ecclestone, and the odds against a 2010 British GP lengthen considerably.

Realise, then, that these issues are merely the start of the list, that eventual grandstand capacity will be considerably less than found at Silverstone and that Gillett has publicly stated that punters will be actively discouraged from arriving in motor cars, and he is, it seems, on a hiding to nowhere faster than any Senna lap could ever take him.

Yet, his enthusiasm is effervescent, so what does he know that the rest don't? More to the point, how does he intend to viably add to the British Grand Prix's illustrious history? Given that he signed the contract with Ecclestone before receiving planning permission and that F1's ringmaster has consistently stated it's Donington or nowhere, could it be said that Gillett has recklessly gambled the legacy of the first-ever world championship grand prix?

"I have given the British GP a chance when no one else was prepared to," he shot back with a bristle of his full beard, before disclosing that both Donington and Silverstone had been offered the contract, and "we stepped up to the plate and picked it up". The implication is that Silverstone had lost the race in any event.

The next implication is that the present race venue simply dithered, but whether the British Racing Drivers' Club was offered the same contract by Formula One Management as was DPLL is, of course, not known.

However, at the time of signing (the BGP weekend in July) the US dollar/sterling exchange rate was in Gillett's favour; now, though, Bernie is grinning broadly...
The Craner Curves at Donington Park © XPB

Either way Donington needs to raise £100m merely to pay for Phase 1 developments in time for the 2010 race - totally revised circuit layout, pits and paddock, media and medical centres, a clubhouse, and suites at Starkeys, Red Gate and on the Craners - although additional grandstand capacity is only due to be added as part of Phase 2, referred to as the 'commercial stage'.

Thus, although the circuit can presently accommodate 134,000 visitors, Gillett has based his numbers on 80,000, broken down as follows: 5,000 in Paddock Club (the revenue of which accrues to FOM), 7,000 in Donington's own upper crust facilities, 30,000 in the stands and 40,000 grass sitters, most of whom will take advantage of the natural bowl within which the circuit finds itself.

The downside of the split is that 50% of punters will have bought general admittance tickets - as opposed to Silverstone, where the figure is closer to 30% and Hockenheim, where it is effectively nil - meaning takings will correspondingly lower.

Of the total expected attendance, only 90% will be discouraged from arriving by car on race day, on account of the area's heavily restricted road access, with the rest being forced to either arrive three days before the event (and camp on the grounds), use public transport (rail and coach), park their cars miles away and use a park-and-ride system or arrive by aeroplane at East Midlands Airport.

A massive transport management programme, which includes partial closure of the airport for the weekend (negotiations to do just that are allegedly progressing well, with air traffic during the grand prix being dedicated to race patrons), is planned and Gillett is confident that the stay-away rate will be minimal.

"I am comfortable with losing a portion of the pie, (losing) the sort of guy who says 'If I can't rev my M3 in the car park I'm not going', because the rest will soon realise that they can be back in London within two hours of the end of the race. We don't need the belligerent ones..."

Nor does he seem fazed that his car restrictions will put off the lifeblood of foreign visitors, most of whom travel by car. "They can camp on site, we can accommodate 45,000 campers as we do for the MotoGP and our Download concerts," he says, before shrugging suggestions that not all foreign visitors may wish to pitch tent. "Then they will just have to park miles away..."

In order to raise the necessary funds, Gillett has plans for a debenture scheme, whereby fans will contribute for the love of the sport and the circuit, and receive, in return, preferential ticket pricing, access to special areas and parking privileges. As the scheme can only be introduced once planning permission has been granted, take-off is some time away (D-Day is 8 January after Gillett requested a postponement from the October date 'to close some holes in our original application') and hence the viability of the scheme is as yet unknown.

But, with Britain teetering on the brink of recession, with the north - where those folk who stand to gain the most usage of the privileges predominantly reside - being the hardest hit, these are hardly the ideal times to float such a scheme. But, Gillett believes there is a silver cloud to his timing: building contractors are crying out for work, and thus their quotes are favourable.
Jonathan Cochet demonstrates the Renault F1 car at Donington © XPB

However, assuming he raises the necessary funds and has a debt-free circuit, how does DPLL hope to, at the very least, break even where the likes of Brands Hatch and Silverstone have failed spectacularly, particularly given the obstacles his visitors will face and the fact that his capacity will be around 10,000 (grandstand seats) down?

"I can't explain the inefficiencies of Silverstone, (but) we can for sure make money as we have a completely different contract to Silverstone. Price is not the only thing you can get from Bernie, the contracts between Bernie and Silverstone were not only about money.

"There are various rights we have retained and various rights Bernie has retained, and it is in that mix that money can be made," he explains before admitting that the circuit received a preferential deal because it has no public funding behind it. How that will sit in Hockenheim's mayoral offices is open to conjecture...

Despite being profitable as a general facility by dint of its present activities, Donington's challenge is to establish itself as a viable European grand prix venue by overcoming the restrictions posed by its location and infrastructure whilst meeting the ever-increasing demands of FOM.

None of that comes into play, though, unless the necessary permissions are handed down early in the new year, where after DPLL will have just 18 months to totally revamp the place. Thereafter the circuit needs to retain the race, not just to ensure its own survival but also for that of the race. Gillett is confident he and DPLL can do just that. Thousands of fans across the country hope he is right.

Counting costs or results?

The doomsayers have enjoyed a field week, what with the demise of Honda F1, Suzuki's world rally project and the Subaru World Rally Team.

However, can it be purely coincidental that a common thread runs through all withdrawals from the sport?

All three teams are Japanese, all posted lack-lustre results recently, and, crucially, all three operations had previously failed to find vital external funding, thus forcing their parent companies to carry the full cost.

Honda's exit was analysed at length in these pages last week, with the verdict being that Honda's main board decision, abrupt as it was, was not so much a death blow as a mercy killing. Much the same could be said about the withdrawal of the two world rally teams, although in their instances the structure of the 2009 world rally calendar was in all likelihood a major consideration.

Participation in international motorsport is as much a matter of enthusiasm at board level as it is an exercise in cost:benefit ratios. If the benefits (car sales) don't substantially exceed the costs (whether subsidised by sponsors/partners or not), then no amount of board-level enthusiasm can save a project.
Petter Solberg drives the Subaru through a water hazard in Rally Argentina © LAT

Consider, then, the 2009 WRC calendar: the first three events take place in Ireland, Norway and Cyprus - territories with a total population of around 12m, or about equal to the car sales potential of the greater London area. And these three events make up 25% of the calendar...

It gets worse: despite there having been two Japanese manufacturers and a French car company in the 2008 entry list, both countries have seen their events removed from this year's calendar, whilst Europe's largest car market (Germany), too, has had its rally canned for 2009, whilst rally Poland has joined the fray.

By the same token, would Honda, regardless of its poor 2007/8 results and lack of external funding, still have exited F1 had there been a grand prix on North American soil, its largest market outside Japan?

If international motorsport hopes to attract and retain 'names' - be they car companies or commercial sponsors - it needs to place the needs of competitors above its own. If not, rather more companies will depart than join.
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By EwanM
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Donington set to get planning permission

By Jonathan Noble Monday, January 5th 2009, 10:20 GMT


Donington Park boss Simon Gillett's optimism about his track securing planning permission ahead of Thursday's council meeting appears well placed, with a local report hailing the economic benefits it will bring to the region.

Gillett told autosport.com last month that he was sure that the track's revamp would be given the green light by North West Leicestershire District Council for work needed to bring it up to Formula One standard ahead of the 2010 British Grand Prix.

"We're confident we've got planning (permission) in the bag," said Gillett. "We've been through consultation for the last few months and we are recommended for approval. We are going there on January 8 expecting to come out with a piece of paper."

And the chances of the council approving the plans have been boosted after a report by South Derbyshire District Council claimed that the grand prix would bring a number of benefits to the region - even if there may be noise impact on neighbouring communities.

In a report that will go before the district council's environmental committee ahead of Thursday's planning permission meeting, director of community services Mark Aflat says he is convinced about the positives from Donington Park getting the race.

"The development offers substantial economic opportunities," he is quoted as saying in a report in the Derby Evening Telegraph. "The Grand Prix has the potential to attract both visitor spend and inward investment. New facilities, along with associated developments, will create substantial construction employment opportunities.

"This would bring new investment and highly-skilled employment opportunities to the area."

Aflat did concede, however, that track changes would raise noise levels for some nearby residents.

"Track revisions will generally be positive, or give rise to only very minor changes. However, there are a small number of areas which could experience notable changes in noise levels."

Gillett had said in December that he was eyeing plans to reduce airplane traffic at the nearby East Midlands Airport over the British GP weekend.

However, such an idea has been greeted with skepticism by the airport itself. Its managing director Penny Coates said: "The proposed change here is at Donington racetrack, not East Midlands Airport, so Donington will need to find ways to satisfy airport safety requirements and to avoid any road congestion that their events may cause.

"We will remain open as an airport and intend to operate normally through any events in the local community."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72616

I've read into this in detail, Donnington has the money and the labor to complete this
#86846
The airport is going to be the stumbling block. It's not even just a case of the circuit and airport cutting a deal; there are laws from the Civil Aviation Authority etc. that have to be satisfied.
#86853
What is the stumbling block with the airport?

For aircraft to land and/or take off, they need to fly right over the track. If there are helicopters etc. flying around, this could be very dangerous. There is also the "3,000ft Rule", which means that an aircraft have to keep a 3,000ft distance between open-air gatherings (more than 1,000 people), although permission can be sought from the CAA to enter that airspace. A year or two ago new Public Safety Zones were devised, and they basically state that nothing can be built which is used for people staying there for a reasonable amount of time. This includes houses and sports stadia, and as Donington is right next to the airport, this is bound to cause them difficulties in getting planning permission. I know this for a fact because it means my football club back in Belfast cannot renovate its stadium because it is very close to an airport. Linked to this is what happens if a plane crashes? If a plane takes off using East Midlands' westerly runway and something goes wrong, it will almost certainly crash into the circuit. If this happens, it will be an horrific situation.
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By EwanM
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What is the stumbling block with the airport?

For aircraft to land and/or take off, they need to fly right over the track. If there are helicopters etc. flying around, this could be very dangerous. There is also the "3,000ft Rule", which means that an aircraft have to keep a 3,000ft distance between open-air gatherings (more than 1,000 people), although permission can be sought from the CAA to enter that airspace. A year or two ago new Public Safety Zones were devised, and they basically state that nothing can be built which is used for people staying there for a reasonable amount of time. This includes houses and sports stadia, and as Donington is right next to the airport, this is bound to cause them difficulties in getting planning permission. I know this for a fact because it means my football club back in Belfast cannot renovate its stadium because it is very close to an airport. Linked to this is what happens if a plane crashes? If a plane takes off using East Midlands' westerly runway and something goes wrong, it will almost certainly crash into the circuit. If this happens, it will be an horrific situation.


True but the GP strategy would close East Midlands Airport for the weekend and use it for the helicopters/private jets etc or for fans. At least that is the idea.
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By EwanM
#86855
Furthermore Donnington manage to hold successful rock festivals and big events like Moto Gp without problems with the airport. Granted the Grand Prix will be on a wider scale. But from what I have read, the no car zone wouldn't include guests, vips etc who would still be driven into the circuit. Maybe the helicopters etc will land else where?

And Donnington built new pit garages recently on the current straight without any hinderance, so I think it'll be passed.
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By scotty
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What is the stumbling block with the airport?

For aircraft to land and/or take off, they need to fly right over the track. If there are helicopters etc. flying around, this could be very dangerous. There is also the "3,000ft Rule", which means that an aircraft have to keep a 3,000ft distance between open-air gatherings (more than 1,000 people), although permission can be sought from the CAA to enter that airspace. A year or two ago new Public Safety Zones were devised, and they basically state that nothing can be built which is used for people staying there for a reasonable amount of time. This includes houses and sports stadia, and as Donington is right next to the airport, this is bound to cause them difficulties in getting planning permission. I know this for a fact because it means my football club back in Belfast cannot renovate its stadium because it is very close to an airport. Linked to this is what happens if a plane crashes? If a plane takes off using East Midlands' westerly runway and something goes wrong, it will almost certainly crash into the circuit. If this happens, it will be an horrific situation.


I don't know if you know this or not, but Donington has been holding rock festivals for decades with sometimes upwards of 200,000 people there over a weekend... and i'm pretty damn sure the main stage is much taller than anything they'll be building for the track!
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By 7UpJordan
#86876
And for those of us who want to camp, how the hell are we supposed to get to the campsites when cars are banned? Do they expect me to walk 100+ miles down the M1 with my camping gear in tow? I was looking forward to camping out in my new BMW that I'm going to get in 2010.
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By EwanM
#86877
And for those of us who want to camp, how the hell are we supposed to get to the campsites when cars are banned? Do they expect me to walk 100+ miles down the M1 with my camping gear in tow? I was looking forward to camping out in my new BMW that I'm going to get in 2010.



Think all the cars will be parked somewhere and people will camp nearby.
People will enter the circuit thanks to a park and ride scheme.
#86880
The stage building and people attending do not really come into matters as they currently are. The Public Protection Zones only relate to new constructions. So, Donington can allow in as many people as it wants with its existing infrastructure. It could be argued, however, that building new grandstands etc. is in breach of the PPZs, for large numbers of people will be housed in them. It goes against common sense, given that rock concerts etc. are being held at Donington, but it is possible that it could be told no on those grounds. Even setting the PPZs aside, the airport is the one holding the best deal of cards. Closing the airport for the weekend means it will lose revenue etc., so they will be at least looking for some means of compensation. Without something like that, they may not be willing to cut a deal with the circuit, which would be a big blow for Donington, for a key aspect of its Grand Prix plan involves restricting activities at the airport. At the moment, it seems the airport is at best going to squeeze Donington for whatever it can get.
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By EwanM
#87147
Donington revamp gets approval

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, January 8th 2009, 18:37 GMT


Donington Park moved a step closer to being able to host the 2010 British Grand Prix on Thursday night after securing the planning permission it needed for a £100 million circuit revamp.

A spokeswoman for the track confirmed to autosport.com that the local North West Leicestershire District Council had approved the track's plans for a new pitlane and paddock, plus grandstand and media facilities, which are scheduled to be ready in time for the 2010 event.

Donington Park secured a deal with Bernie Ecclestone in the middle of last year to host the race from next year, but revisions to the track were enough for them to need local planning permission.

However, circuit boss Simon Gillett said recently that he was confident the track would secure the approval, as he claimed he was unmoved by the doubters who think there are too many obstacles for the track to be able to host the race.

Speaking about his reaction to the doubters, Gillett told autosport.com: "I don't have to convince them and I am not about to convince them. I will convince them by building it.

"I am not going to stand here and tell everyone that you have to believe me honest, I am not interested in that.

"They will see when buildings come out of the ground and cars come on the grid - if they want to sit at home and still not believe me then that is their prerogative, but the buildings will still come out of the ground and the cars will still be on the grid."

With planning permission having now been secured, work on the track is expected to start imminently.

Gillett has said he hopes to secure the funding for the track improvements from a corporate debenture scheme, similar to that employed at the new Wembley Stadium.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72677
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