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[sennasational]

I think there is more to Redbull speed than just the exhaust

Yeah. People are misguidedly assuming this ban will completely cripple Red Bull. No one has any way of knowing that without the actual figures showing the effect of the car losing that technology, so we can only wait and see. That article is pure speculation. I mean, i could write that it'll mean Red Bull would be even further ahead and it'll adversely affect the other teams far more, and there'd be no basis to argue against it.

I doubt that the loss would be less to Red Bull than to other teams, after all you know Newey is likely getting more bang out of the exhaust than other teams given where the Red Bull is. Perhaps they may feel it most in qualifying. Who knows though, but regardless of where things wind up, I think more teams will gain relative to the Red Bulls than will lose. I just think they should leave it be and address it for next year's rules as they did with the F-duct.

But the point is, how do you actually know any of that. You don't... it's all assumption, with no real basis.

As for qualifying, my own assumption is that DRS is a far, far bigger factor given the nature it's usage in qualifying and the race and how Red Bull's pace has compared in those sessions.

Or the exhaust overrun, which would have to be turned down during the race to stop the engine from exploding. The best DRS system atm is Mercedes.

[scotty]

Or the exhaust overrun, which would have to be turned down during the race to stop the engine from exploding. The best DRS system atm is Mercedes.

Yet again, no one knows that about the overrun, no one knows exactly how much it's turned down or anything apart from the teams themselves. How come it doesn't appear to affect the other Renault engined cars in the same way anyway...

Yes Mercedes do seem to have the most effective system, and they also seem to have had much better pace in quali than the races, so there you go!!!

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Curiouser and curiouser.

Between Montreal and Valencia, the FIA have advised the teams, with immediate effect, they may not alter fuel mapping after qualies. As loony as the timing of this pronouncement is, I wonder if anyone apprised that Gene Tote chap that drivers often change fuel mapping during the race.

[texasmr2]

Curiouser and curiouser.

Between Montreal and Valencia, the FIA have advised the teams, with immediate effect, they may not alter fuel mapping after qualies. As loony as the timing of this pronouncement is, I wonder if anyone apprised that Gene Tote chap that drivers often change fuel mapping during the race.

I'm gonna start keeping count of how many times you deliberately misspell Jean's name but I'm adding/starting with 100 . Aswell you seem to have missed the point of the change as the change is about how much exhuast flow is diverted to the rear diffuser and has nothing to do with fuel mapping in general as that aspect will remain the same.

It's a strange magic aint it.

[bud]

Fred, if you want to Anglicise Jean its John not Gene

[spankyham]

As I understand it, drivers will be able to change fuel settings, as they have in the past, even after Silverstone. What is being implemented is off throttle extreme exhaust engine mappings. These require software uploads. In essence, Parc Ferme is being properly enforced as cars are not supposed to be changed.

From Silverstone, teams will finally be banned from using the moving engine to create significant aero effects, this is banned under Article 3.15.

[spankyham]

Very annoying to read this quote from Charlie Whiting given at his Valencia press conference on the off throttle ban:-

"What we are doing is stopping people breaking the existing rules"

I wish I was there to ask him why the heck they didn't stop them breaking the rules from the Australian GP!

{gripe mode ON}
It really seems unfair that a team gets the leniency to break the rules and continue doing it for 8 races, and yet Sauber gets pinged immediately for breaking the rules and Ferrari's gurney flap gets instantly banned. It's just wrong that teams are favoured so heavily.
{gripe mode OFF}

[darwin dali]

No change this time. Let's see how the full ban will affect the grid order at Silverstone.

[FRAFPDD]

Id say theres a change personally, by the way this isnt to say, Red Bull have made their engine map still rather like before, they just bank on Vettel getting miles infront so they can turn the wick down.

Hamilton was .4 off Vettel. Id say hes got a good chance of victory, but silverstone really will be the focal point of the rest of the season. Mix of straights and downforce and no EBD, we'll see the rest of the season trend...AND ILL BE THERE WATCHING IN PERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[billindenver]

Looks like yet another silver bullet failed to kill the red bull advantage as predicted. Perhaps the teams and FIA should try garlic, a cross or perhaps a wooden stake in Newies heart. Red Bull do seem to be masters at misdirection. Other teams run around declaring that rule change after test change after flex blah blah will cure the domination.....and none of it has any sort of affect. That's gotta be a bit like a kick in the nards for every engineer not wearing a bull on their clothing.

[spankyham]

Seems RB couldn't do without the overrun even for this one race. Here they are practicing changing steering wheel - which will mean they can use overrun in Q, then change to race mode at their first pit stop. Means they will have to carry extra fuel and will stress their engine.

[FRAFPDD]

Looks like yet another silver bullet failed to kill the red bull advantage as predicted. Perhaps the teams and FIA should try garlic, a cross or perhaps a wooden stake in Newies heart. Red Bull do seem to be masters at misdirection. Other teams run around declaring that rule change after test change after flex blah blah will cure the domination.....and none of it has any sort of affect. That's gotta be a bit like a kick in the nards for every engineer not wearing a bull on their clothing.

Geniunley lol'd hard.

[FRAFPDD]

Seems RB couldn't do without the overrun even for this one race. Here they are practicing changing steering wheel - which will mean they can use overrun in Q, then change to race mode at their first pit stop. Means they will have to carry extra fuel and will stress their engine.

Few things....


First, was this in a practice session of Valencia?

Second, are you certain (just i know) that they were changing the steering wheel to see how they could turn OVERRUN on and off through steering wheels, or were they doing that for engine mapping ( as in the wheel loading settings as its put on)?

And why will they have to carry extra fuel and stress the engine, or do you mean that they will in relation to the other teams in the first stint of the race?

[darwin dali]

Looks like yet another silver bullet failed to kill the red bull advantage as predicted. Perhaps the teams and FIA should try garlic, a cross or perhaps a wooden stake in Newies heart. Red Bull do seem to be masters at misdirection. Other teams run around declaring that rule change after test change after flex blah blah will cure the domination.....and none of it has any sort of affect. That's gotta be a bit like a kick in the nards for every engineer not wearing a bull on their clothing.

Bull:


Horse - where are yours?

[What's Burning?]

Seems RB couldn't do without the overrun even for this one race. Here they are practicing changing steering wheel - which will mean they can use overrun in Q, then change to race mode at their first pit stop. Means they will have to carry extra fuel and will stress their engine.

I caught that yesterday.