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[myownalias]

In my view, drivers should be treated as equals, never mind all the BS saying my driver is better than your driver, plain and simple, give both drivers equal support and equipment and let the drivers prove who's best on the track. I personally believe that both Mercedes drivers are closely matched, Lewis might have a slightly faster natural speed, but when they run 1-2 on the road, there is never a very large gap indicating one driver is better than the other.

[racechick]

Anyone could see that Button was never a match for Lewis, so imo, that argument doesn't stand up.

Why would Whitmarch not want to win a championship by backing Lewis??
It make no sense whatsoever. If he had won a championship WITH LEWIS, he would still be in a job imo.


So, teams would rather back the slowest driver in their lineup than Lewis...........

What does that say about F1??

Yes, he likely could have won the 2012 if he'd concentrated on Lewis and not Button. Why didn't he? Well he just seemed besotted by Button . I don't know. I raged and raged at the time but it's over now and Whitmarsh has disappeared from F1 with his tail between his legs and Button is likely to be out of a job at the end of the year , meanwhile Lewis is in the fastest car and fighting for the championship as he will be next year. So who is the winner? Lewis orWhitmarsh and Button?

[CookinFlat6]

Or is it that most teams would rather back a white driver than Lewis Hamilton?

If that is the case, them they make me sick. Total scum of the earth.

Lets not get carried away here f1boy. If you really think a team is gonna hire a top driver on big money and then back the weaker one because of his colour then you are underestimating the importance of the profit motive above. If you think a company is gonna hire a guy and then risk their livelyhood on his race you are barking up the wrong tree.
Yes the team might be more comfortable with the German who speaks German etc, there might be people who dont like foreigners etc, maybe there a guy whos afraid Lewis will shag his wife, but somehow you have to look at the big picture.

Its not gonna be 'oh lets hold the black guy back because he is black even if it doesnt make financial sense' its just that people are human and so there is a case for Nico exploiting the resources better because he 'fits in' as he has been there longer or with Button the insidious TP was in a teenage hormonal state around him.

So what I am saying is that you may be right in that someone somewere is more comfortable with Nico, but its a ral stretch to say the company are rascist and are nobbling the black guy they employed on big bucks. Actually its quite funny because Merc have backed Lewis even longer than Nico

Also please, Nico is not on the same level as Button, Nico is brave and fast, not the best race craft or mental grit like Lewis but no where near a lame duck cruise and collect, jump off the track or into the pits type of fellow

[f1boy]

Fair points racechick.

I just think Lewis gets a rough ride considering he is arguably the fastest driver on the grid.
Most normal teams would be desperate to make Lewis the priority, but that hasn't been the case.

Did you hear the talk last week about Merc wanting Seb for 2016, as they need a "poster boy" to sell cars in the USA.
So it's seems Lewis doesn't fit the bill and the only reason I can see for him not fitting the bill is the obvious.

[Jabberwocky]

I can safely say when I had a tour of the Mercedes F1 teams head quarters that I did not hear a single person speaking in German. In fact it amazed me how many BAR notices where still on display.

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[racechick]

The fact Nico was overtaken by a Toro Rosso and failed to overtake consistently was bad enough and then when Lewis got his turn he instantly managed to make the pass, it was beyond embarrassing for Nico.

Ignoring the fact that Nico and Vergne were on the same tyre strategy, that those track conditions play into weaker team's hands, that Hamilton couldn't get past Vettel either, and would probably not have done so until the pitstops, was only in the position to pass Vergne because Vettel spun so handed him the place, and that he was on fresher tyres which all afternoon proved to be the decisive thing in overtaking. Vergne pitted on the lap Hamilton overtook him, which was in an unusual spot, with a brave move after he had failed at turn one. I'm not saying Rosberg did a great job but let's not ignore the context of the situation and just say he was rubbish.

On the damper track earlier in the race there were more overtaking moves throughout the field, yet Nico couldn't get by Vergne. On a drier track with overtaking becoming more difficult, Lewis did it immediately round the outside and without leaving track limits. Yes, Lewis was behind Vettel for a while before pressuring him into an error, but this remember was not a Torro Rosso, this was the sister of the race winning car. It was fast round that track .

[racechick]

Fair points racechick.

I just think Lewis gets a rough ride considering he is arguably the fastest driver on the grid.
Most normal teams would be desperate to make Lewis the priority, but that hasn't been the case.

Did you hear the talk last week about Merc wanting Seb for 2016, as they need a "poster boy" to sell cars in the USA.
So it's seems Lewis doesn't fit the bill and the only reason I can see for him not fitting the bill is the obvious.

Yes I heard it. I also heard Lauda categorically deny having any contact with Vettel and reassert that Mercedes were not looking for any other drivers. Marco has been stirring the pot and by not denying it Vettel makes himself sound wanted as his contract renewel comes up, and he isn't in quite such a strong bargaining position now that Dan is regularly outracing him.

EDIT: yes, Lewis never seems to have it easy, but what thrills he gives us along the way!!!!

[Roth]

On the damper track earlier in the race there were more overtaking moves throughout the field, yet Nico couldn't get by Vergne. On a drier track with overtaking becoming more difficult, Lewis did it immediately round the outside and without leaving track limits. Yes, Lewis was behind Vettel for a while before pressuring him into an error, but this remember was not a Torro Rosso, this was the sister of the race winning car. It was fast round that track .

How does overtaking get more difficult on a drying track?

Oh, yeah, and let's credit Vergne with some good driving too.

[1Lemon]

On the damper track earlier in the race there were more overtaking moves throughout the field, yet Nico couldn't get by Vergne. On a drier track with overtaking becoming more difficult, Lewis did it immediately round the outside and without leaving track limits. Yes, Lewis was behind Vettel for a while before pressuring him into an error, but this remember was not a Torro Rosso, this was the sister of the race winning car. It was fast round that track .

How does overtaking get more difficult on a drying track?

Oh, yeah, and let's credit Vergne with some good driving too.

On a drying track only the racing line is dry, meaning to overtake you've got to go on the slippery off line piece of track.

[CookinFlat6]

When good drivers try to carve through the field there are always good excuses for why they got stuck

when great drivers carve through the field, they just always seem to carve through. Lewis does it all the time, anyone can go on youtube to see his career is littered with these carve ups. Nico doesnt have any history of this, in fact this season the times he has done it has resulted in sloppyness, desperation and drama. And thats from 7th or whatever

Would be interesting to see him start from the pits. As for Lewis, yes he is always very lucky isnt he, lucky Seb fell off the track (because he was under some serious pressure from the guy behind) lucky vergne capitulated, hell he was even lucky in the lower series. The race he carved through the field to win, he was very lucky. And he was very lucky the previous race to get away with his mental weakness and desperation.

nico was just plain unlucky to be unable to pass a team with 17 points for 18 laps



where is the vaseline detail? they should be on their toes on this thread

[racechick]

On the damper track earlier in the race there were more overtaking moves throughout the field, yet Nico couldn't get by Vergne. On a drier track with overtaking becoming more difficult, Lewis did it immediately round the outside and without leaving track limits. Yes, Lewis was behind Vettel for a while before pressuring him into an error, but this remember was not a Torro Rosso, this was the sister of the race winning car. It was fast round that track .

How does overtaking get more difficult on a drying track?

Oh, yeah, and let's credit Vergne with some good driving too.

I have done , earlier in the race thread he did great. But this particular thread is Lewis V Nico.
How does it get more difficult? Les cars slipping and sliding I guess. I read somewhere, that there was less overtaking as it dried.

Here we are, found it! It was in the link I posted earlier........


"The Vergne problem

By lap 31 Rosberg had spent more than half his race stuck behind Jean-Eric Vergne’s Toro Rosso. With the track drying out and opportunities to overtake growing ever scarcer, Mercedes gave up on the possibility of Rosberg making a pass stick on the track. As they approached the pit lane he was told to take the opposite strategy to Vergne:"

[f1boy]

Fair points racechick.

I just think Lewis gets a rough ride considering he is arguably the fastest driver on the grid.
Most normal teams would be desperate to make Lewis the priority, but that hasn't been the case.

Did you hear the talk last week about Merc wanting Seb for 2016, as they need a "poster boy" to sell cars in the USA.
So it's seems Lewis doesn't fit the bill and the only reason I can see for him not fitting the bill is the obvious.

Yes I heard it. I also heard Lauda categorically deny having any contact with Vettel and reassert that Mercedes were not looking for any other drivers. Marco has been stirring the pot and by not denying it Vettel makes himself sound wanted as his contract renewel comes up, and he isn't in quite such a strong bargaining position now that Dan is regularly outracing him.

EDIT: yes, Lewis never seems to have it easy, but what thrills he gives us along the way!!!!

Rosberg and Seb look, on paper, like a Merc dream team. Will Lewis go back to McLaren?

On Sunday Lewis was absolutely fantastic. Watching that drive makes me amazed that he isn't given priority at Merc.
Like you said, Rosberg could never do that.

(Apologies for getting over excited earlier.)

[racechick]

On the damper track earlier in the race there were more overtaking moves throughout the field, yet Nico couldn't get by Vergne. On a drier track with overtaking becoming more difficult, Lewis did it immediately round the outside and without leaving track limits. Yes, Lewis was behind Vettel for a while before pressuring him into an error, but this remember was not a Torro Rosso, this was the sister of the race winning car. It was fast round that track .

How does overtaking get more difficult on a drying track?

Oh, yeah, and let's credit Vergne with some good driving too.

On a drying track only the racing line is dry, meaning to overtake you've got to go on the slippery off line piece of track.

That's when it's just starting to dry. Se the reply I gave to Roth.

[CookinFlat6]

RC you are arguing with someone who says 'Lewis was only in the position to pass Vergne because Vettel spun so handed him the place' so perhaps you should reconsider your level of reasoning and logic

Vettel spun so the guy behind him was very lucky

If Vettel didnt have Lewis behind him would he have spun? Do racing drivers gearbox other drivers as a strategy to force mistakes and pass?

mindboggling

[racechick]

Fair points racechick.

I just think Lewis gets a rough ride considering he is arguably the fastest driver on the grid.
Most normal teams would be desperate to make Lewis the priority, but that hasn't been the case.

Did you hear the talk last week about Merc wanting Seb for 2016, as they need a "poster boy" to sell cars in the USA.
So it's seems Lewis doesn't fit the bill and the only reason I can see for him not fitting the bill is the obvious.

Yes I heard it. I also heard Lauda categorically deny having any contact with Vettel and reassert that Mercedes were not looking for any other drivers. Marco has been stirring the pot and by not denying it Vettel makes himself sound wanted as his contract renewel comes up, and he isn't in quite such a strong bargaining position now that Dan is regularly outracing him.

EDIT: yes, Lewis never seems to have it easy, but what thrills he gives us along the way!!!!

Rosberg and Seb look, on paper, like a Merc dream team. Will Lewis go back to McLaren?

On Sunday Lewis was absolutely fantastic. Watching that drive makes me amazed that he isn't given priority at Merc.
Like you said, Rosberg could never do that.

(Apologies for getting over excited earlier.)

No worries.
Lewis doesn't want or need favours. All he's ever asked for is parity, and that's what Mercedes say they want to give the drivers. He could do with a little more luck, that's for sure, but he's ding pretty well even with the bad luck.

I think where Lewis goes for 2016 will depend on many things. Most likely he will stay at Mercedes.