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[Hammer278]

For me they both have positives:-
Lewis has the stats in his favor this year, 9 to 5 in qualifying and 9 to 5 in the races.
On the other hand, Jenson hasn't done this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qlv20vbhxE
Clearly didn't wait to get enough temp into his runners, and, I heard his manager insisted a similar pair of Nikes be tested with the flo-vis

The stat which matters and what everyone will refer to when looking back in 2010 for the McLaren pairing. Never lost to a teammate, never will.

[nish2280]

How does it matter? Lewis will win. A DNF is impossible for Hamilton unless it isnt his fault at all. Which it will never be.

He actually stated it was his fault in Monza last weekend or maybe you didn't notice?

Oh please, how can an angel like Lewis EVER make a mistake!? I dont notice such trivial things such as Hamilton making mistakes.

[Jensonb]

For me they both have positives:-
Lewis has the stats in his favor this year, 9 to 5 in qualifying and 9 to 5 in the races.
On the other hand, Jenson hasn't done this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qlv20vbhxE
Clearly didn't wait to get enough temp into his runners, and, I heard his manager insisted a similar pair of Nikes be tested with the flo-vis

The stat which matters and what everyone will refer to when looking back in 2010 for the McLaren pairing. Never lost to a teammate, never will.

Heh. Them's fightin' words, son.

[vaptin]

For me they both have positives:-
Lewis has the stats in his favor this year, 9 to 5 in qualifying and 9 to 5 in the races.
On the other hand, Jenson hasn't done this:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qlv20vbhxE
Clearly didn't wait to get enough temp into his runners, and, I heard his manager insisted a similar pair of Nikes be tested with the flo-vis

The stat which matters and what everyone will refer to when looking back in 2010 for the McLaren pairing. Never lost to a teammate, never will.

Season's not over yet,

Hey, Badoer wasn't as bad as he looked in his little stand in.

What makes you say that? His performance was dire. I mean, fair enough he didn't have much real-world experience with that car or recent F1 racing experience, but he was plum last in the same car Kimi won in and then Fisi did a much more competent job filling the seat for the rest of the season. Again, some of that can be attributed to Fisi having more recent F1 experience, but then he did have to get used to the Ferrari way of doing things.

Fisi was still plumb last, I can't even remember seeing Badoer being on the grid before 09. Schumacher was supposed to be the stand in, so I guess he got most of the preparation. The season was more or less a write off for Ferrari, all Badoer needed to do was drive that car around keeping out of trouble which he did (whilst picking up fines for speeding in the pit land oddly). He was also fastest in the first sector in Spa in practice (consistently in the green there).

Well to be perfectly honest, Marc Gené should have been given the drive, he had tested the car. Badoer had not. I don't know why Ferrari opted to throw Luca in the deep end like that.

Maybe, not much in it either way though. Can't remember which one of them was Ferrari's official third driver (ie turned up to the drivers briefings etc), since Gene had already raced in le man's that season I suspect it was Badoer.
Ferrari said they gave him the drive as a reward for his long service and loyalty.

[Jensonb]

Maybe, not much in it either way though. Can't remember which one of them was Ferrari's official third driver (ie turned up to the drivers briefings etc), since Gene had already raced in le man's that season I suspect it was Badoer.
Ferrari said they gave him the drive as a reward for his long service and loyalty.

I vaguely recall hearing the third driver was actually Marc, but I could easily be mistaken, it was over a year ago. In either case, Badoer was never that good, and whilst his performance last year was not as bad as it's often made out to be (Owing to the mitigating factors), I still think it's a stretch to suggest his stint in Massa's car is not a good example of how a decent car doesn't really flatter a driver very much.

[The Immortal Dragon]

Maybe, not much in it either way though. Can't remember which one of them was Ferrari's official third driver (ie turned up to the drivers briefings etc), since Gene had already raced in le man's that season I suspect it was Badoer.
Ferrari said they gave him the drive as a reward for his long service and loyalty.

I vaguely recall hearing the third driver was actually Marc, but I could easily be mistaken, it was over a year ago. In either case, Badoer was never that good, and whilst his performance last year was not as bad as it's often made out to be (Owing to the mitigating factors), I still think it's a stretch to suggest his stint in Massa's car is not a good example of how a decent car doesn't really flatter a driver very much.

Ferrari's 3rd driver was in fact Marc Genè.
They picked Luca Badoer because they felt they owed him something as he had worked as a Test Driver for Ferrari for years. I guess the season was completely screwed up, anyway

[Ayrton-Lewis]

There's no argument, really!
Button is a good driver and a tactic-master but at driving skills he is not even close to Lewis...I mean come on Hamilton is a driver for the ages..He will go down as one of the 3-4 greatest drivers of all time...
Button will never be a Top-20 of all time...

Hamilton did some special things and some past legends or active f1 people compare him to the greats.
"Hamilton could become the best ever"-Mika Häkkinen
"It was outstanding. Senna-type driving. Honestly." said Lauda on Hamilton after the Hockenheim race 2008
“In fact, Lewis Hamilton could go on to be the greatest of all time.”-Murray Walker
"I remember Fangio won in Germany in 1957 with a super-human effort by the seat of his pants. That was Lewis Hamilton-type driving. You don't do many of those. It happened way back in history and it's happening today. Lewis is going to win races, I've no doubt about that."-Sir Jackie Stewart
"Lewis could rewrite the F1 record books. He could become the greatest ever."- McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh
"I have been connected with motor racing for 60 years now and he is certainly the best breath of fresh air we've had. It isn't just that he is a driver, he obviously can drive - he is a racer, he can see a gap and he's in it." -Sir Stirling Moss
"I think if you beat Lewis in the championship you are doing very well."-Mark Webber

As I said there's no argument, really!

[Hammer278]

How does it matter? Lewis will win. A DNF is impossible for Hamilton unless it isnt his fault at all. Which it will never be.

He actually stated it was his fault in Monza last weekend or maybe you didn't notice?

Oh please, how can an angel like Lewis EVER make a mistake!? I dont notice such trivial things such as Hamilton making mistakes.

Seeing you changed your fingerprint and started posting in a 100% sarcastic theme, I'm guessing you're quite cheesed off with the Lewis fans in the forum huh?

[Juliet P]

BBC F1 commentary box producer

All you can be is yourself and as a racing driver that is even more true.
In the high-stress environment of a Formula 1 cockpit, under the pressure of trying to secure the sport's biggest prize, those individual traits are vividly expressed.
Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button are fundamentally dissimilar characters and this was reflected starkly in their respective races at the Italian Grand Prix.
There was concern within the McLaren team about Hamilton's attitude before the race.
He was in that all-or-nothing zone, a state of mind triggered by his disappointing qualifying performance, a scrappy lap with a low downforce set-up that had left him starting from only the third row - for one of the races he had identified as vital that he win, for the sake of his title prospects.
Since before the preceding Belgian Grand Prix, he had talked of how that track and Monza represented two very real chances of victories that he could not afford to pass up, in the belief that subsequent venues would revert back to being Red Bull territory.
"This is nothing like 2007 or 2008," he said before Spa.
"Then we would turn up at every race with the fastest or close to fastest car. We now have only the third fastest car and it's going to be very tough to win the title. I'm hanging on but...
"We have two tracks, here and Monza, where the car will be good, though, and I've got to be thinking about winning both of those to have any chance in the championship because after that it gets very difficult."
With victory in Spa duly achieved, Hamilton's plans for a repeat took a serious blow on Saturday at Monza.
He spoke afterwards that it had been a mistake to opt for the low downforce set-up, that he should have gone for the same high-downforce wing as Button.
The fact that Button had used that set-up to put himself on the front row seemed only to intensify Hamilton's frustration.
The fact that he was blaming it on the set-up was probably further illustration - for actually he had already shown in the third practice session and the first two qualifying sessions that there was very little difference between the single-lap potential of the two set-ups.
Hamilton was on the third row not because the low downforce wing did not work but because he had made a couple of key errors on the lap, partly induced by being in the wake of Mark Webber's Red Bull.
Yes, the low downforce wing made it easier to make such errors but was not in itself the cause of the poor lap time.
That frustration had not subsided by Sunday - and neither was there any change in his no-compromise victory plan.
Combine that with a third-row start and it is easy to understand the concern in the McLaren garage before the race.
Hamilton's adrenalin-soaked approach combined with a fabulous gift is what makes him the sport's most exciting performer but it can catch him out.
After making up an easy place off the grid, the temptation of going inside the two Ferraris into the second chicane was easy to understand. If he was to win this, then there was no time to be wasted - he needed to pick places off quickly.
In this frame of mind, that gap to the inside of Felipe Massa was an opportunity, instinctively and instantly taken.
A more rational mindset would have reckoned the gap was not going to be there by the time he arrived, given that Fernando Alonso was already to Massa's right.
But this same mindset is what gives us the wonderful high-octane passing moves.
In this case his disturbed equilibrium had allowed that instinct to go over-centre but you do not get one without the other.
As McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh said: "I don't want to change Lewis Hamilton the racing driver. I think he's a pretty good product."
It contrasted totally with the smart, measured approach of Button.
It would be easy for someone of less inner strength to have been ground down by Hamilton's brilliant talent.
Button looks at the telemetry, can see there are things Hamilton does that neither he - nor anyone else - could do.
Yet he also understands that this is only part of the picture, that he has his own strengths and talent.
After his flying start to the season, Button has spent much of the middle part of the year being overshadowed by Hamilton but it has had zero effect on his composure.
Had someone managed to do that to Hamilton, composure is not what you would see - and part of Lewis's extreme reaction to his Monza qualifying disaster would surely have been Button's front-row performance.
Button worked through the Monza weekend, went with the set-up that gave him the feel he preferred - unperturbed by Hamilton going in a different direction - and worked with his engineers in analysing if it would work. He then calmly delivered a near-perfect performance that left even Alonso gushing in admiration.
"Jenson drove superb," Alonso said. "He made not a single mistake for the whole lap in every lap. He did a fantastic drive."
In doing so, of course, he has brought himself right back into championship contention.
Many observers see only the driver who cannot be relied upon to be at the cutting edge of possibility for race after race.
But what they miss is seeing the only driver of the five title contenders who has not made one single error so far this year - and with the pressure of being teamed with Hamilton.
Look how that completely blew apart the composure of Alonso in 2007 . It has not even come close to doing the same to Button - and it never will.
Button's talent operates over a narrow band of car characteristics and that is a weakness. When he gets the car as he likes it - as he did at Monza - he is fabulous. Hamilton can drive the car on the edge regardless of characteristics but he has his own weakness.
With Button back contention for a title that looked to be slipping away after Spa, things could yet become tense at McLaren. But only if Button gets in front.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8995626.stm

[nish2280]

How does it matter? Lewis will win. A DNF is impossible for Hamilton unless it isnt his fault at all. Which it will never be.

He actually stated it was his fault in Monza last weekend or maybe you didn't notice?

Oh please, how can an angel like Lewis EVER make a mistake!? I dont notice such trivial things such as Hamilton making mistakes.

Seeing you changed your fingerprint and started posting in a 100% sarcastic theme, I'm guessing you're quite cheesed off with the Lewis fans in the forum huh?

Yeah pretty much but not all Lewis fans, like you for example, are fine, know what you are talking about and can back up your statements. I'm just mocking a few who really just dont know what they are talking about and just throw nonsense out there and have no intention of defending it.

Lets not talk about this further. Trouble may come my way.

[FRAFPDD]

How does it matter? Lewis will win. A DNF is impossible for Hamilton unless it isnt his fault at all. Which it will never be.

He actually stated it was his fault in Monza last weekend or maybe you didn't notice?

Oh please, how can an angel like Lewis EVER make a mistake!? I dont notice such trivial things such as Hamilton making mistakes.

Seeing you changed your fingerprint and started posting in a 100% sarcastic theme, I'm guessing you're quite cheesed off with the Lewis fans in the forum huh?

Yeah pretty much but not all Lewis fans, like you for example, are fine, know what you are talking about and can back up your statements. I'm just mocking a few who really just dont know what they are talking about and just throw nonsense out there and have no intention of defending it.
Lets not talk about this further. Trouble may come my way.

add me to that exclusive group, im his fan but i can see the wood for the trees.
Although Nish, that was pretty sad considering what you did when Alonso,Kimi,Vettel etc fans are twice as bad.

[nish2280]

How does it matter? Lewis will win. A DNF is impossible for Hamilton unless it isnt his fault at all. Which it will never be.

He actually stated it was his fault in Monza last weekend or maybe you didn't notice?

Oh please, how can an angel like Lewis EVER make a mistake!? I dont notice such trivial things such as Hamilton making mistakes.

Seeing you changed your fingerprint and started posting in a 100% sarcastic theme, I'm guessing you're quite cheesed off with the Lewis fans in the forum huh?

Yeah pretty much but not all Lewis fans, like you for example, are fine, know what you are talking about and can back up your statements. I'm just mocking a few who really just dont know what they are talking about and just throw nonsense out there and have no intention of defending it.
Lets not talk about this further. Trouble may come my way.

add me to that exclusive group, im his fan but i can see the wood for the trees.
Although Nish, that was pretty sad considering what you did when Alonso,Kimi,Vettel etc fans are twice as bad.

Yes but you dont see that as much seeing as most of the users of forum are Lewis fans. Now that i think about it, its probably proportionate.

So if there are 100 lewis fans, 10 of them might be the type i am talking about but its the same if there are 50 Vettel fans, 5 will be the type.

Though i dont think we should dwell on this much, going quite far off topic seeing as this discusses Hamilton and Button and not his fans.

[FRAFPDD]

How does it matter? Lewis will win. A DNF is impossible for Hamilton unless it isnt his fault at all. Which it will never be.

He actually stated it was his fault in Monza last weekend or maybe you didn't notice?

Oh please, how can an angel like Lewis EVER make a mistake!? I dont notice such trivial things such as Hamilton making mistakes.

Seeing you changed your fingerprint and started posting in a 100% sarcastic theme, I'm guessing you're quite cheesed off with the Lewis fans in the forum huh?

Yeah pretty much but not all Lewis fans, like you for example, are fine, know what you are talking about and can back up your statements. I'm just mocking a few who really just dont know what they are talking about and just throw nonsense out there and have no intention of defending it.
Lets not talk about this further. Trouble may come my way.

add me to that exclusive group, im his fan but i can see the wood for the trees.
Although Nish, that was pretty sad considering what you did when Alonso,Kimi,Vettel etc fans are twice as bad.

Yes but you dont see that as much seeing as most of the users of forum are Lewis fans. Now that i think about it, its probably proportionate.

So if there are 100 lewis fans, 10 of them might be the type i am talking about but its the same if there are 50 Vettel fans, 5 will be the type.

Though i dont think we should dwell on this much, going quite far off topic seeing as this discusses Hamilton and Button and not his fans.

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Basically if your not a fan of a driver you notice the fanboys more, which means you think they all are cause there seems to be so many, but its not, all the top drivers have their equal share, and yes this is a lewis dominated forum but mainly cause its a British forum. If we go on a spanish/italian forum im prety sure lewis isnt favourite.

[Jensonb]

I guess the season was completely screwed up, anyway

Hah, yeah, fair point

[vaptin]

Seriously, who would've thought it, especially reading how this thread started out: Will Lewis hand Jenson's bottom to him? Who cares we'd rather discuss Luca Badoer v Marco Gene.