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#411255
Thats why Nico was so desperate, impatient and ragged to beat his teammate with the move on the last lap, risking a dnf, not thinking cerebrally about the WDC in a bid to save face.

because whatever happens now there can be no argument whatsoever for which driver is more effective in adverse conditions, better able to use tyres, has better race craft or is plain faster. The stat I love most from the race is that before the SC Lewis was 13th, after the SC Lewis was 13th and then passed up to 9th
before the SC Nico was first, after the SC he dropped back to 4th got overtaken and then stayed there behind a Toro Rosso for 19 laps.

No wonder Nico looked so embarrased afterwards, this is what Villeneuve said

“Nico’s message made no sense as it was obvious Lewis would have lost several seconds to let him through. In addition, it would not have helped Nico win the race because his tyres were starting to fall apart and within two laps he was falling away from Lewis.”

“Then we began to hear Nico moaning and whimpering; but he wasn’t interested in helping the team or himself just in ruining Hamilton’s race. Ultimately Ricciardo was too fast for him so all he would have accomplished would to have beaten Hamilton to his final position…”


and about Lewis

“He’s a fighter and seems to react better when things go wrong.”
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By f1boy
#411320
Nico is a second rate driver who thinks he can compete with Lewis.
Just like Button was. Both are not in the same league as Lewis and they know it.

So then we get the stupid games because they feel insecure.......lol.
Well, fook them and their insecurity.

The sooner F1 get's ride of these useless articles, the better, imo.
By RyRy
#411323
The fact Nico was overtaken by a Toro Rosso and failed to overtake consistently was bad enough and then when Lewis got his turn he instantly managed to make the pass, it was beyond embarrassing for Nico.
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By f1boy
#411326
I would love to know what goes through these teams minds.
If they made Lewis the priority (i.e No.1), then they would win championships.

Michael S was made priority and he delivered Ferrari multiple championships.
Lewis is as good imo, but constantly get's dragged down by daft teams wanting to make him equal with a useless team mate. :confused:

Why would any team do this?
Don't they want to win?

Or is it that most teams would rather back a white driver than Lewis Hamilton?

If that is the case, them they make me sick. Total scum of the earth.
#411330
Why do Mercedes need to back one driver over another?

Is it because they are not going to win both championship this year? Just let them fight it out

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By f1boy
#411331
Why is it ridiculous?
Why did McLaren back Button?
Why are Merc making Rosberg an equal to Hamilton?

Neither were ever equals to Hamilton, yet we must endure the charade of pretending that they are as good.
It is so tedious watching all the clowns pretend that Lewis is somehow equal to these journeymen.

Laughable imo.
#411333
I would love to know what goes through these teams minds.
If they made Lewis the priority (i.e No.1), then they would win championships.

Michael S was made priority and he delivered Ferrari multiple championships.
Lewis is as good imo, but constantly get's dragged down by daft teams wanting to make him equal with a useless team mate.:confused:

Why would any team do this?
Don't they want to win?

Or is it that most teams would rather back a white driver than Lewis Hamilton?

If that is the case, them they make me sick. Total scum of the earth.


It will be interesting to see how Lewis reacts in the coming races now that he can see that the team is on Rosberg's side. He could succumb to the paranoia like Alonso did in 2007 or he can decide to fight and battle against the odds to take the championship.

This is a very important juncture in Hamilton's career imo and will show exactly what he is made of.
#411334
There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Mercedes are acting on racist motives. I think we should drop that sort of talk.

Let's see what happens over the summer when they've revisited the way they let them go racing. And let's hope Lewis' race engineer develops a bit more of a backbone.

Why did McLaren back Button? because they had a weak TP Who employed him and needed his appointment to do well.

Why are Mercedes favouring Nico? I don't think that's the case, though I can see that it appears that way.
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By f1boy
#411335
I agree. Let Lewis race Rosberg without the stupid nonsense and games.

It makes me sick tbh. Anyone can see that Lewis is the better driver, yet still we get ridiculous calls from Merc to pull over for Rosberg and Rosberg parking the car in Monaco.

Fook them and their nonsense. Let them both race on an even playing field.

Rosberg knows he would get beat in such a scenario, so we must endure the games. So tedious.
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By Roth
#411336
This is a genuine question, not baiting or teasing because I don't know. As a matter of interest Roth - do you have experience / qualifications /a general interest in psychology as a professional or academic discipline? I'm not at all judging what you said regarding Hamilton possibly having a psychological issue, more interested in what led you to bringing it up to begin with. As I say - I'm not trying to be inflammatory or anything like that - just genuinely interested. :)


No offence taken. I don't have a qualification, no. However, I feel the term 'psychological weakness' has been taken as a totum and repeated without acknowledging that even though the strict terminology may be wrong my basic points in defending it have not been outlandish. Those points themselves though have had all the nuance taken out of them, distorted to mean I think he is nuts, then brought into every counter argument, and dropped into polite conversation as a way to ridicule.

And when cookie asks you:

"would you care to furnish us with an opinion of whether there is a case for claiming Lewis alone, actually lets keep it simple, that Lewis has a mental weakness that affects his day job as a race driver that Nico categorically doesnt have? Is there evidence that Lewis' ability as a driver is more affected by stress than Nicos."

My basic point was never a comparison to Hamilton and other drivers, or blatantly stating Nico doesn't have it. It's this Straw Man thing cookie does all the time. It generally works so credit to him, but it doesn't make it right. I spotted it a long time ago and it gets boring.

And cookie, seriously, now you're all over psychobabble mumbo jumbo like a bad rash when it suits you. You ridiculed and rejected it quite categorically before. You can't embrace it now. Especially from a person who by his own admission doesn't specifically have a psychology qualification.

The more you try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room the more you look like an egomaniac with a vendetta.
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By f1boy
#411337
Anyone could see that Button was never a match for Lewis, so imo, that argument doesn't stand up.

Why would Whitmarch not want to win a championship by backing Lewis??
It make no sense whatsoever. If he had won a championship WITH LEWIS, he would still be in a job imo.


So, teams would rather back the slowest driver in their lineup than Lewis...........

What does that say about F1??
#411338
Yes, Rosberg parked the car, but that was Rosberg not Mercedes and the stewards let him off. Mercedes had to support Rosberg with the stewards over that issue otherwise he would have gone to the back of the grid. They would have done the same if it was Lewis being questioned.

The team orders were aPR disaster but born Out of inflexible thinking and a real indecision as to which strategy was the best. Lewis should certainly have been on the softer tyre and could have wonThey got it wrong. I've posted a link a few pages back in this thread that goes into detail explaining the situation around that team order. Mercede knows they screwed up and they know they will be getting watched very care fully from now on.
It is frustrating watching the better driver have DNF's and one thing or another hamper him. But just look at his drives back!! Rosberg couldn't do that, Button couldn't do that. We know that. Lewis knows that and you can bet your life Mercedes know that.
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By Roth
#411339
The fact Nico was overtaken by a Toro Rosso and failed to overtake consistently was bad enough and then when Lewis got his turn he instantly managed to make the pass, it was beyond embarrassing for Nico.


Ignoring the fact that Nico and Vergne were on the same tyre strategy, that those track conditions play into weaker team's hands, that Hamilton couldn't get past Vettel either, and would probably not have done so until the pitstops, was only in the position to pass Vergne because Vettel spun so handed him the place, and that he was on fresher tyres which all afternoon proved to be the decisive thing in overtaking. Vergne pitted on the lap Hamilton overtook him, which was in an unusual spot, with a brave move after he had failed at turn one. I'm not saying Rosberg did a great job but let's not ignore the context of the situation and just say he was rubbish.
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