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[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Explain to me how you positively will eliminate any chance of the driver receiving a coded team orders message, then we can have an intelligent discussion on the matter. Unless and until you have that, you're whistling past the graveyard.

Or for that matter, how do you know Whitmarsh didn't tell JB before the race, "Listen, Jens, Lewis needs to finish ahead of you? Understand?"

[myownalias]

Explain to me how you positively will eliminate any chance of the driver receiving a coded team orders message...

Ban pit boards and radio communications?

Or for that matter, how do you know Whitmarsh didn't tell JB before the race, "Listen, Jens, Lewis needs to finish ahead of you? Understand?"

Have an F1 delegate follow every driver around all race weekend?

Yes it is impractical but not impossible to stamp out team orders, anyway repeal the ban because the governing body has no intention of enforcing the rule!

[vaptin]

Teams want to be able to have the ability to use team orders, well the racing teams do at least, cos they want to win. The FIA governs only as long as the teams allow it, can't see them allowing draconian enforcement to ban team orders. You'd need someone monitoring driver and race staff communication permanently.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

...You'd need someone monitoring driver and race staff communication permanently.

But they're already allowed to communicate "in code." The cause is lost. It is a rule that cannot ever be properly enforced.

[myownalias]

My point is that the rule could be enforced more effectively; but the FIA have no intention of doing that, the rule was created to appease the masses, but has never been enforced seriously. Just repeal the team orders ban and let teams use team orders as long as they have good reason to do so, basically restore the old pre-2003 rule!

[f1usa]

...You'd need someone monitoring driver and race staff communication permanently.

But they're already allowed to communicate "in code." The cause is lost. It is a rule that cannot ever be properly enforced.

There is an easy way to eliminate team orders, redesign car radios to transmit from car to their teams only, but the only communication reception to car is from race control concerning caution flags, accidents and track safety issues. You would now see drivers racing for position the entire race without minute by minute micro-management from their pits. Teams are not in the blind as they have telementry from car and live TV race coverage now. Go back to the old style pit board for pit to car communications.

[darwin dali]

...You'd need someone monitoring driver and race staff communication permanently.

But they're already allowed to communicate "in code." The cause is lost. It is a rule that cannot ever be properly enforced.

There is an easy way to eliminate team orders, redesign car radios to transmit from car to their teams only, but the only communication reception to car is from race control concerning caution flags, accidents and track safety issues. You would now see drivers racing for position the entire race without minute by minute micro-management from their pits. Teams are not in the blind as they have telementry from car and live TV race coverage now. Go back to the old style pit board for pit to car communications.

Hm, what would a pit board with K34-9 mean? Could be code for anything...

[vaptin]

...You'd need someone monitoring driver and race staff communication permanently.

But they're already allowed to communicate "in code." The cause is lost. It is a rule that cannot ever be properly enforced.

There is an easy way to eliminate team orders, redesign car radios to transmit from car to their teams only, but the only communication reception to car is from race control concerning caution flags, accidents and track safety issues. You would now see drivers racing for position the entire race without minute by minute micro-management from their pits. Teams are not in the blind as they have telementry from car and live TV race coverage now. Go back to the old style pit board for pit to car communications.

The teams could just tell their drivers before the race.

[spankyham]

Hm, what would a pit board with K34-9 mean? Could be code for anything...

Oh come on, that's too obvious....

A dog that knows about an F1 p0rn site

[f1usa]

...You'd need someone monitoring driver and race staff communication permanently.

But they're already allowed to communicate "in code." The cause is lost. It is a rule that cannot ever be properly enforced.

There is an easy way to eliminate team orders, redesign car radios to transmit from car to their teams only, but the only communication reception to car is from race control concerning caution flags, accidents and track safety issues. You would now see drivers racing for position the entire race without minute by minute micro-management from their pits. Teams are not in the blind as they have telementry from car and live TV race coverage now. Go back to the old style pit board for pit to car communications.

The teams could just tell their drivers before the race.

Maybe, but at least Reubens wouldn't have had to listen to a little prick repeat in his head-set for the 50th time, "Let Michael Pass For The Championship." The 2002 Austrian GP was only race six of season and Schumacher had won four of first five races, now you know why Reubens reacted as he did.

[vaptin]

Ruben's was told before the race.

[f1usa]

$500,000 fine after race.

[darwin dali]

Hm, what would a pit board with K34-9 mean? Could be code for anything...

Oh come on, that's too obvious....

A dog that knows about an F1 p0rn site

That's what YOU think with your dirty mind in the gutter, but it may just be a huge subterfuge

[racechick]

Ruben's was told before the race.

So? He's a racing driver. Not sumachers boot boy.

[myownalias]

Team orders have been in F1 since its inception, yet it's only come to the fore because of Ferrari's actions in 2002 and again in 2010, the rule was changed because of "fan" outrage in 2002 and the "fans" were again outraged in 2010 at the German GP. I understand the need for team orders as the season closes in, putting all their eggs in one basket (so to speak), so an outright ban is unacceptable for the championship battle but what pisses me off more than anything is the FIA show-boating saying team orders will not be tolerated yet have made no real effort to enforce the rule, ditch the rule and move on instead of making excuses!