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Good sh!t.


If the FIA dont do something about this, Le Mans is going to be badass next year

[darwin dali]

And for comparison Super Aguri running as a customer team were spending around £20 a year.

Damn, that's a cut-throat price! I can hardly make it a day with that and Super Aguri ran an entire year on that budget?

[PJ640]

The bottom line is, F1 is a sport which relies on bums on seats, whether they're in the grandstands or in the lounge room.
And this is just another reason F1 will lose most of the audience.
I don't have an allegiance to any team in particular, but I would struggle to follow F1 without Ferrari.

[yamashek]

FIA and MM should think if cost cutting in this fashion is really viable.
yes, i do agree that some sort of cost cutting should be in place...

but why should it be a forced cost cutting? i think the teams should have control over their own costs, and this is Formula1...if you dont have other businesses that can bring in the revenue to run F1, you are not qualified for F1 (my opinion ONLY)... if you cannot run, then YOU CANNOT RUN, thats the problem with the way you are generating funds...

in my opinion, F1 has its own prestige and i really hope FIA and MM can stop dictating what the teams can or cannot do. why do they think the economic crisis have hit ALL the teams dearly? didn't they rule out some teams ( and their companies) might have done better to reduce the damage from the economic crisis? its survival of the fittest after all.

FIA and MM shouldn't decide on cost cutting, it should be up to all the teams together (or FOTA)...

[Big Azza]

After wasting my time reading this thread and watching it go absolutely NOWHERE until page 6

None of this will happen if Max Mosely is sacked. That's all that needs to be done. As for Mr. Ecclestone, I don't think he is really that bad. But then again, I haven't been following this sport long enough. The other option is to sell out Formula one to someone big who will take the sport somewhere. Let's take Mr. Branson for example.

Now, can anyone imagine how great it would be if Sir Branson were to own Formula One? It would turn into an innovative, green sport. Can anyone else see my point?

That looks like the best way for Formula One to keep working: Ecclestone sells. (Or CVC judging by what this Phantom Chris is saying )

Otherwise a break away series might work. But after reading Jabberwocky's comments, which are highly insightful, I can also see why it won't work. This will kill the sport. The same sport which Ayrton Senna and Mr. Fangio, along with Schumacher, Prost, Stewart, The Hills and The Villeneuves all use to race for. When Formula One dies, so do all of these drivers.

None of those drivers will be linked to this new series. Hence they won't be legends of the new series. In 20 years time, I want my kids to know who Senna was (even though he died when I was 3). But then I'd have to tell them what Formula One was.

I don't like Ferrari. But I will hate the world without them.

EDIT: I am corrected. Jensonb made the insightful comments. Damn it! Why do you guys have to support the same team, have a similar sig, and also have a user name that starts with J? In my mind you guys are the Brawn Twins.

[Stealthgate007]

California and Miami are the customers for Ferrari. No place in the world sells more Ferraris. North America does not even have an F1 race. Fiats buyout of Chrysler may shift the focus or play some small hand in Scuderia Ferrari's motives and agenda for the future. Most people in the US can give a rats bottom about F1 unfortunately. We do like ALMS they compete in. If IRL opens up with engines other than honda.... BOOOM that series takes off, and if Ferrari has an engine, I most likely will no longer get free tickets to the Bombardiare 500 at texas motor speedway from Marlboro. That would be an instantaneous ubberbump to the series.

[texasmr2]

If IRL opens up with engines other than honda.... BOOOM that series takes off, and if Ferrari has an engine, I most likely will no longer get free tickets to the Bombardiare 500 at texas motor speedway from Marlboro.

Before that happens Greg maybe you should envite a brother to the race ? You supply the ladys, I know have the goods awaiting I have seen the pics and have a certain one in mind and I will buy all the shots for them, a very special event/night it would be !

tex

PS,
I'm not kidding either !

[Stealthgate007]

If IRL opens up with engines other than honda.... BOOOM that series takes off, and if Ferrari has an engine, I most likely will no longer get free tickets to the Bombardiare 500 at texas motor speedway from Marlboro.

Before that happens Greg maybe you should envite a brother to the race ? You supply the ladys, I know have the goods awaiting I have seen the pics and have a certain one in mind and I will buy all the shots for them, a very special event/night it would be !

tex

PS,
I'm not kidding either !

Damn the ticket is already reserved for me and my girlfriend but can you imagine if Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Toyota all decided to supply engines for that series? Marlboro always sends me tickets so look out for October!!!

[texasmr2]

Ah I was thinking that you may get 4 tickets such as my stepdad used to get through work. We got 4 front row seats to baseball, hockey, basketball etc etc. Hey it was worth a shot right ?

COME ON OCTOBER!!!

[Frosty]

And for comparison Super Aguri running as a customer team were spending around £20 a year.

Damn, that's a cut-throat price! I can hardly make it a day with that and Super Aguri ran an entire year on that budget?

haha, sorry, I made that post very late last night I meant £20 million

[Jamie]

All in all to me it seems that Ferrari have had their Dummy removed and they don't like it? I think they won't leave to be 100% honest with you, as if a team were going to leave they wouldn't scream about it because it would hit more if they just left randomly? So they have obviously done a publicity stunt. And like morons all the F1 organisations have dropped there mouths and now will do everything they say.... Did Enzo Ferrari really want this?

[Jamie]

Just out of interest, can anyone tell me what each team spends a season roughly?

This is something in the past I have researched quite a lot but not so much recently.

Toyota 07 cost £300-350 milllion 09 costs £250 Million estimate they have made quite a lot of cuts recently
Ferrari 08 cost around £300-350 million
McLaren 08 £300 Million
BMW £250 Million
Renault £160 Million 08
Force India £80 Million estimate
Williams £120 million 08 but they are spending more than they can afford
Toro Rosso according to a report las week they spent $120 million in 08 equivalent to £80 million
Red Bull spend at least £120 million
Brawn I have no idea what their current rate of spend is but it was £250 million under Honda

[EDIT]
And for comparison Super Aguri running as a customer team were spending around £20 million a year.

Gosh that is allot of difference, but in Japan Aguri is classed as one of the most successful stories around, Dominance in F.Nippon And All Jap F3!!!

[Gaz]

Renault Set to Join SF

http://www.forumula1.com/2009/f1/f1-new ... ys-bernie/

[Hexagram]

Renault Set to Join SF

http://www.forumula1.com/2009/f1/f1-new ... ys-bernie/

I knew that was coming...

No Ferrari, No Renault, No Toyota, No Red Bull & No Toro Rosso if the budget cap for 2010 does not get altered or removed.

My interest in F1 will be smashed if these teams leave. Specially Renault.

[Gilles 27]

I remember reading in 2007 in either Autosport or F1 Racing that McLaren and Toyota both marginally outspent Ferrari in the 5 years prior to 2008 and that BMW and Renault were in a bracket about $100 million (yearly average) down on those three! Makes you wonder what the hell Toyota have been spending it on! Especially given that half their cars in that period were basically copies of the previous season's Ferrari