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McLaren Fan wrote:You've also got to factor in as well that the spy scandal was nothing more than a political assassination.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
darwin_dali wrote:Right but he's never lied before.Longbow wrote:And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!Jensonb wrote:Yeh but there's level of it.Longbow wrote:He was just using doping as an example of breaking the rules.darwin_dali wrote:Just think of it this way: when a track and field athlete, e.g., lies and does do doping and gets caught, s/he often gets banned for a while, repeat offenders get banned for life. Of course they get stripped of their medals that they won under the influence, but it doesn't just stop there - they usually get banned as well.Doping in F1 would be akin to a car running light or cooling fuel etc..
this is somthing totally diffrent
This would be akin to a football diving.
Hes cheating and trying to Lie about it to the Referee.
darwin_dali wrote:like your man Schu?
And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!
bud wrote:What you trying to say there Bud, that Schui would cheat?darwin_dali wrote:like your man Schu?
And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!
Longbow wrote:I doubt DD would be so assertive with his talk of punishment back in the times of the various Schumacher scandals.bud wrote:What you trying to say there Bud, that Schui would cheat?darwin_dali wrote:like your man Schu?
And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!
Absurd he was gods gift to sportsmanship.
Longbow wrote:Last time I checked you can get a yellow card for VARIOUS reasons, not just lyingdarwin_dali wrote:Right but he's never lied before.Longbow wrote:And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!Jensonb wrote:Yeh but there's level of it.Longbow wrote:He was just using doping as an example of breaking the rules.darwin_dali wrote:Just think of it this way: when a track and field athlete, e.g., lies and does do doping and gets caught, s/he often gets banned for a while, repeat offenders get banned for life. Of course they get stripped of their medals that they won under the influence, but it doesn't just stop there - they usually get banned as well.Doping in F1 would be akin to a car running light or cooling fuel etc..
this is somthing totally diffrent
This would be akin to a football diving.
Hes cheating and trying to Lie about it to the Referee.
2, a red card would be a 1-2 match Ban not a court job.
the FIA love there drama tho..
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. EwmanM wrote:Personally I think this was a very clever and tactful move by McLaren by pretty much pleading guilty to all 5 charges the team will probably avoid being investigated thoroughly which would of probably brought up some quite nasty questions and answers also it makes McLaren look like they are sorry for what they have done and understand that it was wrong. This clear message to the FIA as well as the management sort out within the team is probably all designed to show the FIA that it won't happen again and that they have taken internal measures to sort things out. Because of all of this the WMSC will struggle to go to hard on McLaren because it will look like they are being unfair.McLaren make apology for 'lying'http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8016611.stm
McLaren have written to Formula 1's governing body, the FIA, to apologise for misleading race stewards after the season-opening Australian Grand Prix.
McLaren were found guilty of misleading race stewards, with their driver Lewis Hamilton disqualified from the race.
The team are charged with five counts of bringing the sport into disrepute and face an FIA hearing on 29 April.
Penalties could include expulsion from the 2009 championship, suspension, a fine or points deduction.
"We are co-operating with the FIA. I have written to (FIA president) Max Mosley but before 29 April I can't say anything about it," said McLaren team principal Martin Whitmarsh ahead of Sunday's Bahrain Grand Prix.
"It's a letter to them. Certainly, there's been no leak about it from us and I can't comment on it."
Whitmarsh's letter offers Mosley, the FIA and race officials "an unreserved apology" for lying to stewards in Melbourne.
Hamilton finished fourth behind Trulli's Toyota, whom McLaren accused of breaking F1 rules by overtaking while the field was under the control of the safety car.
Officials initially handed Trulli a 25-second penalty, promoting Hamilton to third after the world champion and McLaren's long-serving sporting director Dave Ryan gave evidence that the Englishman had not deliberately let the Toyota driver through, and had not been asked by the team to do so.
But McLaren's radio communication contradicted this and Hamilton was later disqualified with Trulli reinstated to third place.
Hamilton, who issued an emotional public apology after the incident, is expected to escape further censure but Ryan, who was with him at the hearings and has worked for McLaren for 35 years, has been sacked.
Whitmarsh's predecessor as team principal, Ron Dennis, has stood down as McLaren chairman and severed his formal ties with the Formula 1 side of the business.
By accepting that they breached the sporting regulations, McLaren have effectively thrown themselves at the mercy of the World Motor Sport Council (WMSC), who will preside over their fate.
The FIA said McLaren knew they were lying when they told race officials they had not given Hamilton instructions to let Trulli overtake.
It is also claimed by the FIA that McLaren made no attempt to rectify their evidence under scrutiny.
The WMSC is the body which disqualified McLaren from the constructors' championship and fined them $100m (£67m) for their role in a spy scandal involving Ferrari in 2007.
The last team to be suspended from the championship was BAR, predecessors to Honda and current leaders Brawn GP, in 2005 for having a hidden extra fuel tank.
BAR missed the Spanish and Monaco Grands Prix, which happen to be the next two races on the calendar after Bahrain this year.
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bud wrote:darwin_dali wrote:like your man Schu?
And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!
You had to pull the MS card, didn't you? How very mature and smart of you - you run out of arguments, so you pull one of those extra aces you got up your sleeves, eh? Guess what? It doesn't work with me - I know you too well and long enough. Stick to the topic please and don't try to detract and turn this thread into something it shouldn't be about. 
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. darwin_dali wrote:I've never denied that some elements within McLaren were guilty of wrongdoing in 2007. In the past, though, other teams have even more complicit in spying, being in possession of other team's technical data but were not punished at all. And there are a whole lot of other things that went in 2007 against McLaren that were absolutely outrageous and nothing to do with the FIA whatsoever. Anybody who seriously attempts to deny this is compartmentalised.McLaren Fan wrote:You've also got to factor in as well that the spy scandal was nothing more than a political assassination.
Really?
Get real Chris - you know better!
McLaren Fan wrote:And there are a whole lot of other things that went in 2007 against McLaren that were absolutely outrageous and nothing to do with the FIA whatsoever. Anybody who seriously attempts to deny this is compartmentalised.U R spkng 'n rddlz m' fr.nd!
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. darwin_dali wrote:yeah and you ignore my posts significance yet you still didnt answer it so i must be right ehbud wrote:darwin_dali wrote:like your man Schu?
And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!
Ah, bud, you're so predictable
like i said no way you were so demanding of punishment in his cases. so youre showing your bias! you hate McLaren and i bet you giggle yourself to sleep with this trash.darwin_dali wrote:Ya DD the two of em is like that - think they the opposite AKR twins. Anyway .. I think the most fitting punishment would be to allow mclaren to compete in the next two or three races but not allowed to score any points. The reason for that is self explanatory cos i really cant manage long posts.bud wrote:darwin_dali wrote:like your man Schu?
And he'd get a yellow card. And if it was his second yellow, it would be a red card with all the implications!
Ah, bud, you're so predictable
darwin_dali wrote:You miss my point i'm saying hes been punished and so has the team and the punishment was fair this is being Blown way out of perportion.Longbow wrote:Last time I checked you can get a yellow card for VARIOUS reasons, not just lying
Right but he's never lied before.
2, a red card would be a 1-2 match Ban not a court job.
the FIA love there drama tho..
Tony_sa wrote: Ya DD the two of em is like that - think they the opposite AKR twins. Anyway .. I think the most fitting punishment would be to allow mclaren to compete in the next two or three races but not allowed to score any points. The reason for that is self explanatory cos i really cant manage long posts.Tony, take a F.R.O tablet, that is the biggest pile of
written this week, cancel month. Why allow a team to enter, but deny them any championship points, pure rubbish
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