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"Pirelli and Mercedes-AMG were advised by the FIA that such a development test could be possible if carried out by Pirelli, as opposed to the team that would provide the car and driver, and that such tests would be conditional upon every team being given the same opportunity to test in order to ensure full sporting equity."
A quote of a quote from the FIA. It says every team being given the same opportunity to test in order to ensure full sporting equity. Is there anyone here who would argue that all other teams have been given the same opportunity as Mercedes was given?
Well no-one can really argue anything, as no-one knows exactly what Pirelli offered and to whom it was offered.
As with most posts in this thread it's mainly based on guess work, rumour and heresay.
No it's not. We have direct quotes from the FIA. We also have information directly from teams such as Lotus, Red Bull, and Ferrari. See here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107733
This information is quite clear that Pirelli were given permission to undertake tests with 2013 cars only providing that all teams were given equal opportunity to test. We know that Mercedes did a very large amount of testing with the 2013 car. We know that at least Lotus, Red Bull, and Ferrari weren't offered the opportunity of testing.
None of this is 'rumours' or 'guesses'. We've heard from the FIA, the rival teams, and from Mercedes/Pirelli. The evidence is there, and trying to pretend that it isn't is just avoiding the issue.
There are plenty of facts out in the open concerning this case already. But there seems to be quite a few people trying to pretend that there isn't.
7 pages for a case which we have probably 10% of the material to work with...no one knows what happened, not even the F1 teams. Might as well wait for the FIA to tell everyone they f**ked up and gave permission without understanding the situation. If Mercedes obtained permission from an official from the FIA, they and Pirelli are untouchable.
No. What we have is snippets of statements. And soundbites from teams trying to turn the situation to their advantage. We have no access to any real evidence. No idea exactly what was permitted by the FiA. No idea what Pirelli offered to other teams. No idea exactly what was tested and how the tests where carried out.
I'm not avoiding any issue. I'm just bored of people passing their beliefs and opinions off as fact.
Quite a few people also trying to pretend that their opinions on the matter should pass off as facts of what took place. Nobody knows for sure, so why not just wait? Or if you're so sure give the FIA a call and tell them what should be done since you have it all figured out.
There are plenty of facts out in the open concerning this case already. But there seems to be quite a few people trying to pretend that there isn't.
The FIA gave permission for a situation with conditions attached, it was also a generic request, according to the FIA.
You've got no idea about the consistency of what the FiA did or didn't do, or even if they're trying to cover their @ss at the moment because someone there screwed the pooch. It's best to let the facts speak for themselves whenever this hearing is held.
There are plenty of facts out in the open concerning this case already. But there seems to be quite a few people trying to pretend that there isn't.
You take something you read on the internet as fact?
7 pages for a case which we have probably 10% of the material to work with...no one knows what happened, not even the F1 teams. Might as well wait for the FIA to tell everyone they f**ked up and gave permission without understanding the situation. If Mercedes obtained permission from an official from the FIA, they and Pirelli are untouchable.
That was the part what you wrote, that is you assuming you knew what has happened.
Also, I've made it pretty clear in all my posts, this is my interpretation.
Might as well be fair.
According to "What's burning" Mercedes will come out of this smelling as roses, you seem pretty sure of the conclusion.
I gave the link to the FIA press release. Avoid it as much as you want, but the entire press release is public and it's very clear. The other teams have stated clearly that they weren't offered testing with the 2013 car. How on earth you can try to deny that there's much, much, more behind this than just 'people passing their beliefs and opinions off as fact', I don't know. But, that's the internet all over.
"As far as I can understand some teams have asked for clarification about the contractual situation between Pirelli and the FIA," he said. "To be honest, if you had seen how the test was organized we have no clue what [tyres] we have been driving. It has nothing to do with the 2013 tires or performance."
I think Toto Wolf summarizes is best."As far as I can understand some teams have asked for clarification about the contractual situation between Pirelli and the FIA," he said. "To be honest, if you had seen how the test was organized we have no clue what [tyres] we have been driving. It has nothing to do with the 2013 tires or performance."
And yes, I did say that I think Mercedes would come out of this smelling like a rose, It's my opinion because I'd find it difficult to believe an organization like that would not have the documentation/approval from the FiA to go forward with the testing they were asked to help perform. I'll be the first one to say they were wrong to proceed if proven otherwise.
The flip side is we have people demanding Mercedes be stripped of their points and the championship, without knowing what approval Mercedes received and what's actually in Pirelli's contract. Or if the FiA screwed the pooch and are covering. I like saying screwed the pooch.
It's cray-cray.
I find the FiA statement to be vague; it doesn't mention timeframes, nor whether all teams need to be invited to a single test, or whether the 1000km covers the whole season or a single event. If it's just a single 1000km run, then it could be judged that Mercedes gained a unfair advantage because that allocation is now used up!
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