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By scotty
#213560
Hah, it's easy for them to say that right now, if they still think that way if it comes to crunch time then fair play...
By What's Burning?
#213561
Even if it is; They've kept up the appearance longer than anyone else.
By What's Burning?
#213562
Between the two.

If I was looking for a driver to drive the 24 hours of Le Mans and be part of a 3 driver group. I would pick a driver that would give me 12 solid hours of consistent lap after lap after lap performance, that would be Jenson Button.

If I wanted a driver that would be able to wring out every single ounce of performance that could be wrung out of a car, and achieve what others wouldn't even attempt, that would be Hamilton.

Without a doubt, the best driver pairing on the 2010 grid is sMcLaren's.


Sorry but Lewis will do both, he will give you consistent laps after laps and still get the best out of the car. Like it or not, Lewis is just a better driver than Jenson period.

MacLaren dont need to favour Lewis he will 9 out of 10 beat Jenson anyway.

Sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.


I'm a fan of Lewis Hamilton, but to deny that no other driver can have talent in a particular area or even be better than Lewis in some aspects is myopic. Everyone has areas they can improve upon, otherwise lets just shut down the whole series since the Matrix just met it's Neo.
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By racechick
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They have to eventually, I suppose they are still trying to bridge the gap to redbull which is probably their main priority, but still, Lewis will be much better of if McLaren started focusing their resources on him.


If one of them cant mathematically win then I doubt they'd need asking to help the teammate. But thats different to being asked to compromise your own championship when you could still win it.
By vaptin
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Yes, but thats from the drivers perspective, I'm genuinely surprised the team don't see it differently as they'll be able to allocate their resources much more effectively, but like I said their still trying to catch up to the sheer pace of the redbull car which doesn't require focusing on one driver,
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By f1ea
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They have to eventually, I suppose they are still trying to bridge the gap to redbull which is probably their main priority, but still, Lewis will be much better of if McLaren started focusing their resources on him.


If one of them cant mathematically win then I doubt they'd need asking to help the teammate. But thats different to being asked to compromise your own championship when you could still win it.


There's a bit more to it, considering both will need new parts and developments to help their title bids. But if Jenson can't get around Q'ing, he's stuck. In the races he matches/better Lewis with no problem.

"Helping" a teammate out even after you are mathematically out of the championship is NOT considered in the team order rules. It doesnt matter how much each driver "say" they arent asking for favours or a team order. BS. the team will do what it thinks best. So, if Jenson gets a couple of "save fuel" messages near the end of his season... or if somethings gets said or arranged behind the scenes and stuff happens for Jenson to slow down or whatever... EVEN if it's what the Macca brigade "morally" support, it would still be against the current rules. So, talk about a farce eh :rolleyes:
By Hammer278
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They have to eventually, I suppose they are still trying to bridge the gap to redbull which is probably their main priority, but still, Lewis will be much better of if McLaren started focusing their resources on him.


If one of them cant mathematically win then I doubt they'd need asking to help the teammate. But thats different to being asked to compromise your own championship when you could still win it.


There's a bit more to it, considering both will need new parts and developments to help their title bids. But if Jenson can't get around Q'ing, he's stuck. In the races he matches/better Lewis with no problem.

"Helping" a teammate out even after you are mathematically out of the championship is NOT considered in the team order rules. It doesnt matter how much each driver "say" they arent asking for favours or a team order. BS. the team will do what it thinks best. So, if Jenson gets a couple of "save fuel" messages near the end of his season... or if somethings gets said or arranged behind the scenes and stuff happens for Jenson to slow down or whatever... EVEN if it's what the Macca brigade "morally" support, it would still be against the current rules. So, talk about a farce eh :rolleyes:


I dont mean to start another argument with you, though some of your words really hint to extraordinary things. Just a query, apart from the two races which Jenson 'won', which other races has he 'matched/bettered Lewis with no problems'?

I'm just curious, because the races I watched I see Lewis in front of Jenson and beating him with no problem.
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By f1ea
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I dont mean to start another argument with you, though some of your words really hint to extraordinary things. Just a query, apart from the two races which Jenson 'won', which other races has he 'matched/bettered Lewis with no problems'?

I'm just curious, because the races I watched I see Lewis in front of Jenson and beating him with no problem.


Their race pace has been pretty much the same, in pretty much all races.
in fact, I am yet to see a race where Lewis actually closes in on Jenson... while the opposite has happened a few times.

Q is another thing.

But for example, these guys have not had (consistently) similar race pace: Kubica/Petrov, Schumacher/Rosberg and Massa/Alonso. Getting hit, crashing out, a penalty, the final position is important to the pt standing; but if you look at race pace... the above guys have not been similar to their teammates. While Jenson/Lewis, Webber/Vettel and some others have.

Nothing extraordinary there. And doesnt mean Lewis is not the best driver in the world ;)
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By f1ea
#213584
Should add Sutil and Luzzi to your unequal list I think. And probably De la Rosa and Kobayashi.


:yes:

De la Rosa and Kobi have had so many reliability issues, its hard to tell how each is doing........ but Kobayashi's been very good, or at least has cemented his already good impression from last yr.
By The Ram
#213587
I dont mean to start another argument with you, though some of your words really hint to extraordinary things. Just a query, apart from the two races which Jenson 'won', which other races has he 'matched/bettered Lewis with no problems'?

I'm just curious, because the races I watched I see Lewis in front of Jenson and beating him with no problem.


Their race pace has been pretty much the same, in pretty much all races.
in fact, I am yet to see a race where Lewis actually closes in on Jenson... while the opposite has happened a few times.

Q is another thing.

But for example, these guys have not had (consistently) similar race pace: Kubica/Petrov, Schumacher/Rosberg and Massa/Alonso. Getting hit, crashing out, a penalty, the final position is important to the pt standing; but if you look at race pace... the above guys have not been similar to their teammates. While Jenson/Lewis, Webber/Vettel and some others have.

Nothing extraordinary there. And doesnt mean Lewis is not the best driver in the world ;)


The race pace will always be close... Hellooo?? no refueling!! Saving tyrrreees! nursiiiiiing the caaaaaarr! :P
The drivers will only go as fast as they need to this year. Finishing and reliability are paramount.

But to use statistical facts if you want to... I think Jenson has come closest to Hamilton in Canada.. but he has never ever beaten him on lap for lap race pace.

Select your race, go to "head to head" wait till the application loads and then select button and Hamilton at the top. The dots in the right coloumn shows who has done the faster lap, the tally is at the top. To change the race just go back to the previous window, then click that red box below the Italian flag. As you will see Jenson never has more faster laps than Hamilton.. never.

http://www.f1matrix.it/gp_2010_eng/index.html
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By racechick
#213590
They have to eventually, I suppose they are still trying to bridge the gap to redbull which is probably their main priority, but still, Lewis will be much better of if McLaren started focusing their resources on him.


If one of them cant mathematically win then I doubt they'd need asking to help the teammate. But thats different to being asked to compromise your own championship when you could still win it.


There's a bit more to it, considering both will need new parts and developments to help their title bids. But if Jenson can't get around Q'ing, he's stuck. In the races he matches/better Lewis with no problem.

"Helping" a teammate out even after you are mathematically out of the championship is NOT considered in the team order rules. It doesnt matter how much each driver "say" they arent asking for favours or a team order. BS. the team will do what it thinks best. So, if Jenson gets a couple of "save fuel" messages near the end of his season... or if somethings gets said or arranged behind the scenes and stuff happens for Jenson to slow down or whatever... EVEN if it's what the Macca brigade "morally" support, it would still be against the current rules. So, talk about a farce eh :rolleyes:


All if's and but's and you're calling it a farce? The only actual farces have happened at the other title contending teams.
By Ineluke
#213621
They have to eventually, I suppose they are still trying to bridge the gap to redbull which is probably their main priority, but still, Lewis will be much better of if McLaren started focusing their resources on him.


If one of them cant mathematically win then I doubt they'd need asking to help the teammate. But thats different to being asked to compromise your own championship when you could still win it.


There's a bit more to it, considering both will need new parts and developments to help their title bids. But if Jenson can't get around Q'ing, he's stuck. In the races he matches/better Lewis with no problem.

"Helping" a teammate out even after you are mathematically out of the championship is NOT considered in the team order rules. It doesnt matter how much each driver "say" they arent asking for favours or a team order. BS. the team will do what it thinks best. So, if Jenson gets a couple of "save fuel" messages near the end of his season... or if somethings gets said or arranged behind the scenes and stuff happens for Jenson to slow down or whatever... EVEN if it's what the Macca brigade "morally" support, it would still be against the current rules. So, talk about a farce eh :rolleyes:


Lol, it burns you dosent it. You are talking about something that has not happened and yet you call it a farce. It's not going the way you want is it, button is getting his bottom handed to him week in and week out.

Poor you, i bet you really want to smash your tv in after each race. Lewis and Jenson will get the same treatment no matter what.

You wont be able to use the special treatment bullpoo after the end of the season.
Jenson will have been truely beaten by a better driver it's as simple as that.

You can't handle it then that's you freaking problem. All you do is mug yourself off with your above comments.

"it's a farce" lol what a joker.
By vaptin
#213622
If Jenson is out of the WDC (mathematically) your telling me he's going to get the same treatment? That's what the poster was referring to, that situation and the current team order rule (since we managed to diverge there, until you brought us back on topic partially becuase I suspect its all your capable of discussing about f1) which is blind to the situation being a "farce". That was my interpretation anyway.
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By racechick
#213634
If Jenson is out of the WDC (mathematically) your telling me he's going to get the same treatment? That's what the poster was referring to, that situation and the current team order rule (since we managed to diverge there, until you brought us back on topic partially becuase I suspect its all your capable of discussing about f1) which is blind to the situation being a "farce". That was my interpretation anyway.


If Jenson is out mathematically(ie he cannot no how win-there are not enough points on the table)then the situation is different and if jenson has no chance to win then he wont need team orders to help hamilton if Hamiton still has a chance to win. And vice versa. Thats what I meant when I posted about mathematical chance.
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