- 10 Feb 15, 19:45#432855
You talk about debating facts, yet you like to make frequent remarks to how Alonso is helped by his team mates, to support your argument that Hamilton is the better driver. I will give you Piquet, that is proven, but Massa crashing into Hamilton to benefit Alonso? I don't see any proof or evidence of that, do you have any proof of that other than the radio message? which could be Smedley's way to fire up Massa to chase and overtake Hamilton! If there was proof the FIA would have taken action in much the same way as they did against Briatore and Piquet Jr.
Ultimately, it's all excuses to back your (in generality) favorite driver, it's like comparing an apple to a rock; two drivers in different cars, the only way this can be settled is to have them race head to head in the same machinery. You like to point out that Hamilton has better achievements in half the timeframe, the flip side of that is that Hamilton has never driven for a smaller, less funded team, furthermore you can argue that Alonso won his championships in a car that was not the best on the grid, I distinctly remember a report about those titles being the cheapest (as in cost) in comparison to Renault's title rivals. Finally, Hamilton matched Alonso in the McLaren and it now seems like he was preferred as the season progressed, disadvantaging Alonso.
My point is that there are pros and cons to call each driver the best; I think Alonso is in his prime now, I believe that physical age has nothing to do with performance, I think the way that Alonso whitewashed his team mate last season is proof of that, was Raikkonen really that bad or was Alonso outstanding to drag his Ferrari into positions where it shouldn't be?
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You talk about debating facts, yet you like to make frequent remarks to how Alonso is helped by his team mates, to support your argument that Hamilton is the better driver. I will give you Piquet, that is proven, but Massa crashing into Hamilton to benefit Alonso? I don't see any proof or evidence of that, do you have any proof of that other than the radio message? which could be Smedley's way to fire up Massa to chase and overtake Hamilton! If there was proof the FIA would have taken action in much the same way as they did against Briatore and Piquet Jr.
Ultimately, it's all excuses to back your (in generality) favorite driver, it's like comparing an apple to a rock; two drivers in different cars, the only way this can be settled is to have them race head to head in the same machinery. You like to point out that Hamilton has better achievements in half the timeframe, the flip side of that is that Hamilton has never driven for a smaller, less funded team, furthermore you can argue that Alonso won his championships in a car that was not the best on the grid, I distinctly remember a report about those titles being the cheapest (as in cost) in comparison to Renault's title rivals. Finally, Hamilton matched Alonso in the McLaren and it now seems like he was preferred as the season progressed, disadvantaging Alonso.
My point is that there are pros and cons to call each driver the best; I think Alonso is in his prime now, I believe that physical age has nothing to do with performance, I think the way that Alonso whitewashed his team mate last season is proof of that, was Raikkonen really that bad or was Alonso outstanding to drag his Ferrari into positions where it shouldn't be?
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iously it's all a subjective decision, and as outsiders we only have a limited amount of (biased) 3rd party information to go on, but I guess thats just part of the fun. 
(Light hearted comment).
Was Alonso not challenging till the end in most of those years or not? If he was he didnt do it on foot
Finally!! That must be the problem!!