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[Hammer278]

Lol.

OB, best you turn of the PC and go OD on something for the next few hours to unwind.

[sagi58]

And, we while we sit and ponder why people don't post anymore,
let's look to the following lyrics for inspiration:

[CookinFlat6]

There are lots of places for lurve, lots of places for meaningless twittering a and murmurings of nothing

F1 is not the spread lurve project, and will always have lame ducks quitting when they don't win

[sagi58]

As there will be those who believe their poopoo doesn't smell!!

[overboost]

Cooking, you are the one who brought Tiger Woods marketing appeal into this discussion and won't let it go. And then claim, without anything to support it, that this same Tiger like appeal is why Mercedes has hired Lewis!
It is Tiger's marketing appeal that creates his endorsements. Lewis pales in comparison but yet it is your theory that Lewis's only value over a lesser paid driver is this Tiger like appeal.

As you have made an effort to continue the discussion with some logical thought alas lacking intelligence, I will reply to put you out of your misery

Alonso and lewis are the highest paid drivers because they are the best drivers. Now even if the car was 5 seconds better than the rest and the tea lady could drive it, winner brands winner companies still want these 'star' drivers becasue of the marketing appeal of associating with the best.
So your suggestion that Merc save money by employing a driver who is not the proven best, doent have a WDC and doesnt have marketing appeal is complete (which would be why Merc are winners and you dont even understand a stock market)

Vettel is actually thought to be the highest paid right now on his new Ferrari contract.

Your argument about winner brands needing to have star wdc drivers is obviously without merit, just look at marketing geniuses Red Bull with non wdc's Ricciardo and Kvyat. Merc imo wanted a top driver to be a strong #1 help the team to a championship. Championship builds the brand. The brand sells cars. They aren't going to market Lewis Hamilton and a quick check of their website should have told you that. Now with the monster W05 the pinnacle of German engineering that can take any good driver to the wdc they don't need to spend alot of cash on drivers if they don't want to.

“That was really awesome,” Toto Wolff told reporters.
“These are the Lewis Hamilton days. These are the days when you recognise how great he is and it makes the difference between the superstars and the stars.”
Niki Lauda, Mercedes’ non-executive chairman, meanwhile told Sky Sports F1: “He’s worth his money I can tell you that!

Lauda's opinion is important but it changes race to race depending on how things turn out unfortunately.

Mercedes Benz dealerships across the UK will be looking to capitalise on Lewis Hamilton’s F1 world championship title with increases sales. The Brit driver secured the F1 title at the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix yesterday finishing first ahead of Williams’ Felipe Massa. More importantly, though, title rival Nico Rosberg finished 16th after limping home with engine problems. A spokesman for Mercedes said celebratory banners will now be displayed in Mercedes dealerships across the country while the F1 WO5 championship winning car will tour the country’s showrooms too.

Is this a sale similar to the Thanksgiving Day sales going on in the States this weekend or the “Naughty” or “Nice” Mercedes-Benz Winter Event? How much are they discounting the price in Hamilton's F1 fire sale? Other than this being interesting trivia about banners and such that might mention Hamilton it is the tour of the 'W05LD CHAMPION' that might actually get people into the dealership and move a few cars, if the discounts are good of course!

Speaking of sponsorship's check out the Mercedes-Benz International Website where there is a good article on Mercedes' Brand Ambassador professional golfer Martin Kaymer, he is having the season of his life they say! You can't miss it, it is the first one. He's German isn't he? So why isn't marketing dream Lewis the official brand ambassador? Kaymer is because he is aimed at their target market, business executives. Lewis wouldn't be able to sell that crowd a ballpoint pen. Also interesting I see that Infiniti had made Vettel their 'Director of Performance', he will have been very useful selling to their target market of young professionals.

It would take Mercedes around three and a half hours to recover Hamilton's £19.3m basic salary from the company's annual sales revenues.

Yes the BBC reporter is so clever dividing Lewis's salary into Merc's annual revenue figure from last year and dividing by the number of hours in a year. This is meaningless information and has no relation on Lewis wearing a Merc hat! FYI It would take just 1.5 hours to pay for Rosberg's salary. You could also pay for 7000 50" big screen TV's per hour. Who cares!

I can't believe you have based your whole argument on this meaningless 'stat' and then somehow thought it meant Lewis was paying for himself 16 fold. Comprehension is not your strong point!

Revenue also increased to a new record level, rising by 4% to €64.3 billion.

Yes Mercedes revenue's grew 4% in 2013, very good. Compare this though to 2012, Merc's revenue grew by 7.5% in 2012 when Michael Schumacher was driving. As revenue growth slowed in 2013 you must be saying that Hamilton has cost Merc 3.5% revenue growth in 2013?!

By Ian Parkes, PA Sport

Lewis Hamilton’s phenomenal rookie year in Formula One is expected to have a major impact on the financial health of British motor sport.A leading sports finance expert believes Hamilton could spark a boom period after a recent lull due to the lack of a successful local hero in Formula One in recent years.Although Hamilton failed to win yesterday’s British Grand Prix at Silverstone, the 22-year-old still finished third for his ninth successive podium of the season, wowing the crowds in the process.

A record 42,000 fans attended on Friday, followed by a Saturday best of 80,000, with race day an 85,000 sell-out.

ITV viewing figures are also significantly up this year, with 7.7 million watching last month’s United States Grand Prix, compared to 5.4 million in 2006.


“Broadcasters and corporates will compete to be associated with such a potentially attractive global sporting icon.

^ This is from 2007. You have posted information from 2007 in comparison to 2014. That was one of the best years that modern F1 has ever had and you are comparing it to 2014 which will probably be viewed as one of the lowest points. You must be having hallucinations!

As far as the bigger picture is concerned, the question of whether Formula One participation results in the sale of more Mercedes cars is, as ever, virtually impossible to answer. Daimler, Mercedes’ parent company, appears in rude financial health, however. Net profits were up from €6.8 billion in 2012 to €8.7 billion in 2013. Global sales also rose from 2.2 million in 2012 to 2.35 million in 2013. How much of that can be attributed to the likes of Hamilton and Rosberg is up for debate, but Mercedes is confident enough to have signed up to the sport, after some of the usual Formula One political shenanigans, until 2020.

Why are you posting this? It says that Hamiltons' and Rosbergs' or even the F1 teams' impact on revenue can't be measured which goes directly against all your arguments! Not smart.

Also note that Merc is now threatening to leave if they don't get their way on the engine freeze! So 2020 may not happen. Crybabys throwing toys.

Every single one of your butthurt irritations, has received a comprehensive comeback


Now do me the favour of

^ Now please do us all a favour and stop wasting our time with this 'made of straw' up crap!

ps. I see you have dropped your Tiger comparison. Smart move.

[CookinFlat6]

Any one of many less expensive drivers would be wdc in that car. Rosberg of course and Hulk, Bottas, Massa, Ricciardo, Perez, Grosjean even Vergne! all could have won.

So then why pay top driver dollars when you have that 2 sec/lap wdc/wcc machine that flatters all who drive it? A car that wins big on Sunday and sells big on Monday!

“That was really awesome,” Toto Wolff told reporters.
“These are the Lewis Hamilton days. These are the days when you recognise how great he is and it makes the difference between the superstars and the stars.”
Niki Lauda, Mercedes’ non-executive chairman, meanwhile told Sky Sports F1: “He’s worth his money I can tell you that!

I do think that if the Merc domination does carry on that those in Stuttgart who focus on the bottom line may not see the need for high priced drivers or on the other hand if sales go up they may like what they see and get Lewis in a long term deal. We will see. Just food for thought cooking.

OB argued with OB, and OB lost

[What's Burning?]

A poll on the most sore forum member might be fun. That's why it would be good to have a lounge.

The HDL nominees for most sore or inflamed forum member are:

Sagi58. Sagi has the luck of the Canuck, personally derailing the winningest F1 team this millennium by bestowing upon the her loyal and everlasting support.

Roth. Roth's skill in fringe thinking is world class, he'd be thought of as a celebrity in the right circles if only he wasn't proven wrong about everything he's ever argued for in the forum, choosing to end his career in a bold personal attack before tucking tail and huffing off into the sunset.

Overboost Leads with crude and ineffective, and backs it up with fists of HAM, because the mind is a terrible thing to waste.

And ourlast nominee...
petafromkimiheartessex like a bad cold you just can't shake her, she's taken the bitter pill but still won't be deterred in reminding us how much she hates the place and how she's really going to do it this time. Oh yeah, Stay Jens! Go Kimi!

And the winner is...

[CookinFlat6]

That's a really tough call, each has been outstanding in their particular area of inexpertiz.

Roth has cornered the market for the pseudo scientific approach, with big words and well constructed elaborate untruths with the new standard for untenable. His medal is for the scientific thesis entitled 'Lewis has a mental weakness that will stop him ever winning because he will always choke in quali, unlike Seb who has shown his mental strength In handling his trashing by Ricc without running away from the challenge'

OB - the strawman king, new standards for clinging to shamelessly irrelevant hopes. His medal goes for his well received thesis 'Merc will sack Lewis as Nico is German and cheaper and will replace Lewis with a driver that has lost his seat at a backmarker. Right after Merc agree with Honda to bring back V8s immediately'

Sagi - the undisputed expertz expert at being wrong about everything and backing the losers, losing arguments with herself without realising and with a memory that allows her to finish every discussion with a mea culpa. She has set a new category of logical fallacy by avoiding logic yet forgetting what her point was thereby allowing an infinite scope for circular argument with herself

Whatsmynameanyone? Doesn't express herself much because she can't - but she hates Lewis and loves Jenson. And she doesn't like the forum - a new standard in not actually having any standard within her reach

Spankyham - the king of the proud sheep lemming genetic mix who can typing

The winner will be posted up in the lounge once they have all congratulated themselves on winning by posting

'you hit the nail on the head

[overboost]

Any one of many less expensive drivers would be wdc in that car. Rosberg of course and Hulk, Bottas, Massa, Ricciardo, Perez, Grosjean even Vergne! all could have won.

So then why pay top driver dollars when you have that 2 sec/lap wdc/wcc machine that flatters all who drive it? A car that wins big on Sunday and sells big on Monday!

“That was really awesome,” Toto Wolff told reporters.
“These are the Lewis Hamilton days. These are the days when you recognise how great he is and it makes the difference between the superstars and the stars.”
Niki Lauda, Mercedes’ non-executive chairman, meanwhile told Sky Sports F1: “He’s worth his money I can tell you that!

I do think that if the Merc domination does carry on that those in Stuttgart who focus on the bottom line may not see the need for high priced drivers or on the other hand if sales go up they may like what they see and get Lewis in a long term deal. We will see. Just food for thought cooking.

OB argued with OB, and OB lost

You need to try harder cooking.

So you have given up on your claim of Lewis paying for himself 16 fold, you have given up on and distanced yourself from the Mercedes F1 Team when it was pointed out that they cheated in Spain last year, you have given up on Lewis's talent saying he was hired only for his 'Tiger' like marketing brilliance, you then have given up on Lewis having 'Tiger' like marketing brilliance, and now you have given up on Hamilton raising sales revenues when it was pointed out that sales had increased more when Michael Schumacher was driving. Why do you bother posting all this stuff if you can't back it up??

And now as your last stand, cooking 'custer' flat6, you fall back on quotes from Lauda and Wolfe from Singapore where Hamilton had an easy pass on Vettel to win completely due to the 2 sec/lap time advantage of the W05! This is exactly the point I had been making and one which Mercedes is now promoting, the car is the world champion - 'W05LD CHAMPION'. Mercedes engineering wins championships is their message. Thanks.

Anyway cooking you really do need to give it a break and maybe spend some quality time in your mom's basement with your chess computer! Perhaps you could also take up watching some golf, I hear Kaymer is having the season of his life!

Ps. Lauda is not part of the Mercedes Executive in Stuttgart, the clue is in his title - Non-executive Chairman.
Ps. Lauda's comments in Singapore about Hamilton being worth the money do seem a bit odd to me, perhaps his pay packet had been questioned and Lauda was trying to justify his decision to pay the big bucks. Interesting now that you pointed this out.

[CookinFlat6]

Ps. Lauda is not part of the Mercedes Executive in Stuttgart, the clue is in his title - Non-executive Chairman.

Lauda is a shareholder and a partner of those in Stuttgart and therefore as an owner of the MERC AMG team and as the advisor to the Daimler board (Stuttgart) - his partners in the AMG team, he will be the person with the most say over Lewis' employment and salary
In fact he was responsible for Lewis signing up

[CookinFlat6]

Yes Mercedes revenue's grew 4% in 2013, very good. Compare this though to 2012, Merc's revenue grew by 7.5% in 2012 when Michael Schumacher was driving. As revenue growth slowed in 2013 you must be saying that Hamilton has cost Merc 3.5% revenue growth in 2013?!

hahaha hahaha

HAMILTON COST MERC 3.5% REVENUE GROWTH?????


You are hopeless, the only thing that matters is that you were talking when you said Merc would prefer the cheaper no wins drivers to Lewis to save money - Stop clinging

read this again
Lauda is a shareholder and a partner of those in Stuttgart and therefore as an owner of the MERC AMG team and as the advisor to the Daimler board (Stuttgart) - his partners in the AMG team, he will be the person with the most say over Lewis' employment and salary

, “He’s worth his money I can tell you that!

Who knows more? the owner of lewis' team or Gary 'overboost' Anderson who is yet to provide a single coherent opinion on anything in F1?

tell us the answer, who should we believe, or dont answer that specific question and confirm your status

[CookinFlat6]

OB, please come back to give us your answer, we promise not to laugh at you

Let me lay it out so its easy to assess for you,

why pay so much for a #1 driver when their car can be driven to titles by any of a group of drivers that demand much less salary.

If I were Hamilton I would be hoping that the freeze is done away with such that Merc can justify having such a highly paid driver on staff.

I also wonder if Merc benefits from Hamilton's brand in the actual selling of their cars

Lewis wouldn't be able to sell that crowd a ballpoint pen

Any one of many less expensive drivers would be wdc in that car. Rosberg of course and Hulk, Bottas, Massa, Ricciardo, Perez, Grosjean even Vergne! all could have won.

So then why pay top driver dollars when you have that 2 sec/lap wdc/wcc machine that flatters all who drive it?

“That was really awesome,” Toto Wolff told reporters.
“These are the Lewis Hamilton days. These are the days when you recognise how great he is and it makes the difference between the superstars and the stars.”
Niki Lauda, Mercedes’ non-executive chairman, meanwhile told Sky Sports F1: “He’s worth his money I can tell you that!

Who is correct???? Nah OB, sorry mate, I dont think Lewis or any of his supporters will go for this one, try harder, you can find a way to transfer even a fraction of the pain you feel if you keep trying - dont quit, just try an angle that is not so funny

So whats your answer, whos correct, the owners or OB?

[overboost]

Yes Mercedes revenue's grew 4% in 2013, very good. Compare this though to 2012, Merc's revenue grew by 7.5% in 2012 when Michael Schumacher was driving. As revenue growth slowed in 2013 you must be saying that Hamilton has cost Merc 3.5% revenue growth in 2013?!

hahaha hahaha

HAMILTON COST MERC 3.5% REVENUE GROWTH?????


You are hopeless, the only thing that matters is that you were talking when you said Merc would prefer the cheaper no wins drivers to Lewis to save money - Stop clinging

read this again
Lauda is a shareholder and a partner of those in Stuttgart and therefore as an owner of the MERC AMG team and as the advisor to the Daimler board (Stuttgart) - his partners in the AMG team, he will be the person with the most say over Lewis' employment and salary

, “He’s worth his money I can tell you that!

Who knows more? the owner of lewis' team or Gary 'overboost' Anderson who is yet to provide a single coherent opinion on anything in F1?

tell us the answer, who should we believe, or dont answer that specific question and confirm your status

That was your muddled 'revenue growth' logic cooking! So refreshing to see you laugh at it now.

It just proves that you have little to offer in your posts. It seems that you are very, shall we say, spontaneous putting little thought into what you type. Your whole idea that Hamilton was only hired for his marketing side, classic nonsense. They have a German golfer hired for that!

I have already said that Lauda's opinion is important but you have ignored this. However he has his biases and will be very protective of Hamilton as he is his benefactor. I guess he was relieved that his driver finally took the wdc lead that day in Singapore and saved Lauda's butt. Imo such an odd comment to make don't you think while celebrating a win?, unless he was concerned about the money.

Also Mercedes is on one hand crying poor saying that they cannot even afford the smallest of in-season engine changes and if I understand you money is no object for Mercedes when it comes to the pay packets for the drivers. Which is it Cooking? Is Mercedes lying about not being able to afford any engine mods if as you say they have all this cash to throw at drivers?

And you have not answered my question from earlier -

If I understand what you are now saying correctly, is that most any driver could have won the wdc in the W05?

Thanks.

Ps. And yes we know that you claim to know better that the Wall Street Journal, John Watson, Jackie Stewart, Damon Hill, Peter Windsor, David Coulthard, Kimi Raikkonen, Felipe Massa, Gary Anderson, and Lewis Hamilton himself. This seems to be important to you.

[CookinFlat6]

Why did I just know you wouldn't have an answer to who is more likely to be correct about Lewis and his fans worrying about Lewis getting sacked after his WDC and being replaced because he is costing Merc money?

Ob or the owners of Merc AMG? Try again- it's a sole question

I see you are now trying to tie your pathetic and desperate attempt at making Lewis fans realise that things are looking very bad for the champion - to the unfreeze

Don't bother cos you could end up looking really silly

Merc are not worried about their own deep pockets, they are worried about their customers costs increasing by having to implement engine upgrades more than once a year

Mate give your sore bottom a break, you gonna need it next season

[sagi58]

...Merc are not worried about their own deep pockets, they are worried about their customers costs increasing by having to implement engine upgrades more than once a year ...

Maybe this bleeding heart team should put their money where their heart is by helping out their customer teams!
I know, they can have a fire sale and give everyone a BOGO deal!!

Oh, wait... Mercedes aren't looking for charity cases, they are in the sport to make money!! How did I forget??