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[The Second Coming]

Yeah I think he could pull that one off!

If there is even the slightest truth to the things I'm hearing through the grapevine (and I believe there is), .

Who do you think is putting these rumours out - note you confirm they are rumours - grapevine, is it an Italian publication, or a German one, Or a British one?

Just imagine you had to create an article that created the most clicks possible to get paid well, now imagine yu also got paid if each click linked the article and told others like you are now - in that scenario, what would be somethinghalf believable to write without a shred of proof that would achieve your aims of 0.04 pence a click?

Do you know how the team is structured as a legal business entity? There would be much easier ways for Merc to achieve those aims you mentioned if true, so why would they go ablout it in a way thats obvious to even a ferrari supporter?

Lets b calm here, Lewis is on a big money contract for another year after this, If you dont really think he would be pushed before the end of that, then you need to sit down and look at the bigger picture - you might be pleasantly surprised

Cooking and Hammer, I agree with you both if...IF level heads were prevailing. But lets all admit, we have seen some boneheaded moves by teams before. Emm...speaking of which, we don't have to look too far. Look how Mercedes AMG treated Ross Brawn, the very person who systematically put them in this wonderful position they are enjoying today. "Hmm, lets see. What's the best way we can show Ross our appreciation? Anyone?" From the end of the conference room table, "Me, me, me Mr. Chairman...I have the answer! Lets kick him out on his two-banana-eating-per-race arse!" So you see, sometimes our big picture looks very different to theirs. Particularly when we're talking about Mercedes...

[cheekybru]

Loving these posts guys

[CookinFlat6]

Cooking and Hammer, I agree with you both if...IF level heads were prevailing. But lets all admit, we have seen some boneheaded moves by teams before. Emm...speaking of which, we don't have to look too far. Look how Mercedes AMG treated Ross Brawn, the very person who systematically put them in this wonderful position they are enjoying today. "Hmm, lets see. What's the best way we can show Ross our appreciation? Anyone?" From the end of the conference room table, "Me, me, me Mr. Chairman...I have the answer! Lets kick him out on his two-banana-eating-per-race arse!" So you see, sometimes our big picture looks very different to theirs. Particularly when we're talking about Mercedes...

Again in this case im afraid the facts dont support this common belief of what happened at Merc after they paid Ross 100mill for a company he paid 1 pound for a year before and what happened at the end of 2013 - the end of his contractual golden handcuff period (no one pays 100 mill for a business entirely dominated and run by 1 man then let that owner go out the door fishing with a mobile phone) -

Look at it from that point of view and look at it as though the promise shown when they paid 100mill wasnt really screaming at them and the guy with the 100mill in his pocket was looking to take his money as soon as he could and get away like he just stole something - he put them in this position? maybe with some help from Merc opening the cheque book after a few years to add another few hundreds stake to the first one

Ross isnt really an engineer like Paddy, he is not an aero guy, he is not a mechanical guy like aldo - he is old school ex mechanic expert 'entrepreneur' and visionary born of street smarts beyond compare and years in F1 starting as a mechanic.

So if you bear this less publiscised context and then think of Corporate Merc, then think of the old Honda days and then think of Toyota, now think why Ross didnt even hang around a day after his lock in period, not even to pick up another couple of title then ask yourself why a guy would sell every single share he owned in the business if he wanted to continue like in the business, would you not want to retain a block? then finally think of 100 mill cash

what were we discussing anyways

[The Second Coming]

Cooking and Hammer, I agree with you both if...IF level heads were prevailing. But lets all admit, we have seen some boneheaded moves by teams before. Emm...speaking of which, we don't have to look too far. Look how Mercedes AMG treated Ross Brawn, the very person who systematically put them in this wonderful position they are enjoying today. "Hmm, lets see. What's the best way we can show Ross our appreciation? Anyone?" From the end of the conference room table, "Me, me, me Mr. Chairman...I have the answer! Lets kick him out on his two-banana-eating-per-race arse!" So you see, sometimes our big picture looks very different to theirs. Particularly when we're talking about Mercedes...

Again in this case im afraid the facts dont support this common belief of what happened at Merc after they paid Ross 100mill for a company he paid 1 pound for a year before and what happened at the end of 2013 - the end of his contractual golden handcuff period (no one pays 100 mill for a business entirely dominated and run by 1 man then let that owner go out the door fishing with a mobile phone) -

Look at it from that point of view and look at it as though the promise shown when they paid 100mill wasnt really screaming at them and the guy with the 100mill in his pocket was looking to take his money as soon as he could and get away like he just stole something - he put them in this position? maybe with some help from Merc opening the cheque book after a few years to add another few hundreds stake to the first one

Ross isnt really an engineer like Paddy, he is not an aero guy, he is not a mechanical guy like aldo - he is old school ex mechanic expert 'entrepreneur' and visionary born of street smarts beyond compare and years in F1 starting as a mechanic.

So if you bear this less publiscised context and then think of Corporate Merc, then think of the old Honda days and then think of Toyota, now think why Ross didnt even hang around a day after his lock in period, not even to pick up another couple of title then ask yourself why a guy would sell every single share he owned in the business if he wanted to continue like in the business, would you not want to retain a block? then finally think of 100 mill cash

what were we discussing anyways

Couple of decent points. The only problem is a price was negotiated not just handed off one-sided by Merc. Negotiated because Ross was living the day-to-day, seeing and hearing what the upper management had as a vision for the team. Brining in numerous cooks to stir the same pot. As a guy who has been around the block/paddock for a bit and has built winning teams from squat, person by person, the culture, the vision, motivating people, building the kind of harmony that then yields Drivers and Constructors titles in multiple teams...and then you hear and feel a hand in your back. You see that the new vision leaves your status unknown, someone with your experience would easily see that as the writing on the wall. Negotiate an out deal and move on to greener pastures. We will see Ross again...in the words of Massa, "for sure."

I conclude, Mercedes AMG is a fickle and irrational bunch, capable and willing to march to their our beat regardless of how completely off the wall it seems to the rest of us. As I've said, we've seen it with Ross, we've seen just this year how the team handles certain things. Some of what they do simply doesn't smell right. Personally, I would love to see Lewis build a long career with them but I'm no longer that comfortable in thinking this is likely. Mark my words...6mos from now we can resurrect this conversation and we'll all be witness to other oddball things they've done or plan to do.

Oh, and don't get me wrong, I'm a fan. Doesn't mean I have to be a yes-man.

[What's Burning?]

This has been a nice discussion but it probably would have been better placed in the Merc thread.

[The Second Coming]

This has been a nice discussion but it probably would have been better placed in the Merc thread.

Umm...oops! My bad. I started it. Where's DD with the whip? (Bring it...shows us what you got!)

[darwin dali]

This has been a nice discussion but it probably would have been better placed in the Merc thread.

Umm...oops! My bad. I started it. Where's DD with the whip? (Bring it...shows us what you got!)

[CookinFlat6]

If thats racechicks moderating style, I probably need regular rules and regulation enforcement sessions

[darwin dali]

If thats racechicks moderating style, I probably need regular rules and regulation enforcement sessions

Nah, that's MY style - rc is much nicer

[CookinFlat6]

We need to get Max on this forum (and not the Chiltern vareity)

[CookinFlat6]

Here is an intellectual giant at work to galvanise a team of professionals who have been aware of a situation when it affected lewis but now are been made aware that its solvable by change as it has affected our very own F1 Nietzsche.

There is no reason why we keep having these faults," he. "It's clear that's the point we need to focus on the most because the performance is there, as we saw again in the race with Lewis' car which was strong, so it's the reliability that needs to be improved.

"I now want to dig in with the team to try to understand what went wrong.

"It's not that I'll be demanding anything different from what I've asked and hoped for in the past because they are already focusing a lot on reliability.

"They are working crazy hours, working hard, but maybe there is a need to review their approach and try to improve in that area.

So, I will dig in - stick my oar in with the pleb workers, but I wont demand they change anything I will just suggest they need to rethink their approach and do better

great stuff Nico, you truly are a deep thinker

[What's Burning?]

Here's what I'd do if I was Lewis Hamilton Inc... Five races remaining, I'd tell my side of the garage there's a million dollar bonus to be split amongst them at the end of the year if his car does not suffer a mechanical DNF or a mechanical issue that causes the car to finish outside the points. If he wins the championship, there's an extra million.

[CookinFlat6]

That could work, as i reckon lewis has a few more dollars to spray around than Nico.

Thing about Nico is - if he is som smart does he not realise that making a fuss about the Merc unreliability that cost him the race in Singapore is also to highlight the fact that with complete reliability this season he would be about 40 points adrift
Lewis was 5 to 2 up on catastrophic car failures yet we never heard him once moan about Mercs unrelaibility, but he was still the weak one mentally, and now Nico is talking about the unacceptable reliability and how he will be donating his significant intellect to help the engineers who have obviously overlooked something he will discover,
he is sounding more and more like Massa when he got the knock on the head (actually Massa has been b!tching and blaming others fom day 1)

yet he is the one will the strong intellect and mental strength and composure and unemotional and rational - and educated grownups are continuing to parrot fashion this stuff

it would be sad if it wasnt so funny, imagine Lewis had said 'this is unacceptable I will sit with the engineers and give them my advice on a new approach'

The self spanking psychiatrists would be measuring his neck size under the nearest tree by now

[The Second Coming]

We need to get Max on this forum (and not the Chiltern vareity)

You're assuming Uncle Max isn't on the forum. For all you know, I could be Max.

[The Second Coming]

Here's what I'd do if I was Lewis Hamilton Inc... Five races remaining, I'd tell my side of the garage there's a million dollar bonus to be split amongst them at the end of the year if his car does not suffer a mechanical DNF or a mechanical issue that causes the car to finish outside the points. If he wins the championship, there's an extra million.

WB, that's an interesting approach. If only...