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[Roth]

No... what started the is claiming that Lewis was mentally weaker than his team mate and has always suffered from that weakness directly impacting his results over the years.

Oh look. There's a smilie for that. How cute.

No really, those two posts are what started it.

Then you just infer a lot of things, and well, this is where it gets us.

[CookinFlat6]

If you're going to use a term like 'psychobabble mumbo jumbo' you're not doing yourself any favours. I could pull a cookie and say, 'How do you know I've never mentioned mental weaknesses for button and ms? i'll give you odds of five gajillion to one paid in red buttons if you can't find anything.'

are you truly tell us that you do not know the difference between the concept that says the onus is on the one accusing someone of something to provide the proof (i.e inoccent till proven guilty) which is what happened when you falsely, shallowly and (its starting to look like) ignorantly accused me of ridiculing Nico along with Button more than any other drivers. So you were invited to find some proof, that I could respond to, I even gave you a 300% margin for error

the other concept if there is one is where roth is charged on factual evidence of claiming Lewis has mental weakness, and his defence is to say 'please supply proof I didnt say the same thing about other drivers'
we all have the post you made, but you want us to find the posts yu didnt make? mate if you were to tell me you were in your 80's and your reasoning faculties were starting to 'come off their peak' a little I could maybe understand

you are arguing for a lost cause on 2 fronts, and now starting to resort to borderline insults and sheer irascibility to try brazen it out.

So far I have gone along the belief your post on the mental thing is a comunications issue, i dont think the forum would appreciate it if became an 'ideological conflict'

[Roth]

pssst, my post isn't filled with facts and figures... just what you've posted.

It's not actually what I've posted though, is it. It's more a nudge from cookie, a tap from you, and hey presto, roth thinks Lewis is a mental case.

[CookinFlat6]

Let me help you - according to you, the article that expresses your opinion in a better way, says stress causes mistakes, all these drivers have shown high levels of stress and 'rattledness' during many races, no less than Lewis, are they also suffering mental weakness like Lewis

Yes or no

This is that thing I was talking about again. It's either learned or natural, I don't know. It's done to direct the conversation away from the point we are making to something else because you don't like me padding back your posts. If all your post didn't have the same basic fault, I wouldn't keep doing this is and annoying the cr*p out of you. It's done to make me look bad but for anyone with any sense it's a lot of blathering from your side, filled with irrelevant fun facts and figures to impress the people in the cheap seats.

so what a surprise, no yes or no answer, just a bunch of psychobable infused with a touch of 'poor me' it is now obvious exactly what your motivations are

It feels now that the extra speed Hamilton has is no longer an advantage because he finds a way of negating it. I'm starting to feel we've seen this before in Hamilton, this psychological weakness we pretend is misfortune.

this is the post that you then went on to expand on, and you have been doing the flanking - retreat - flanking - oh poor me - flanking etc etc etc ever since

It's gutting, I get that. But I realise Hamilton has a psychological weakeness that Nico's exploiting by proxy, and it's pointless denying it.

when you find a bit more integrity I am sure we can all be friends again

[Roth]

If you're going to use a term like 'psychobabble mumbo jumbo' you're not doing yourself any favours. I could pull a cookie and say, 'How do you know I've never mentioned mental weaknesses for button and ms? i'll give you odds of five gajillion to one paid in red buttons if you can't find anything.'

are you truly tell us that you do not know the difference between the concept that says the onus is on the one accusing someone of something to provide the proof (i.e inoccent till proven guilty) which is what happened when you falsely, shallowly and (its starting to look like) ignorantly accused me of ridiculing Nico along with Button more than any other drivers. So you were invited to find some proof, that I could respond to, I even gave you a 300% margin for error

the other concept if there is one is where roth is charged on factual evidence of claiming Lewis has mental weakness, and his defence is to say 'please supply proof I didnt say the same thing about other drivers'
we all have the post you made, but you want us to find the posts yu didnt make? mate if you were to tell me you were in your 80's and your reasoning faculties were starting to 'come off their peak' a little I could maybe understand

you are arguing for a lost cause on 2 fronts, and now starting to resort to borderline insults and sheer irascibility to try brazen it out.

So far I have gone along the belief your post on the mental thing is a comunications issue, i dont think the forum would appreciate it if became an 'ideological conflict'

You see, cookie, I do reply to these posts, and say how ridiculous they are. I call you out on it, because you go to such extremes. You don't answer half my posts but do you see me demanding answers? I'm not getting embroiled in your mind games. I watch you endlessly bash Button and let you carry on. It's clearly very cathartic to you, and everybody knows no matter what they say this irrational anger will not abate with anything anybody could ever say. You get in the same tizzy over this, but because I'm caught in it I have to bat it away. Luckily for Button he is off somewhere oblivious to your hate.

[Roth]

when you find a bit more integrity I am sure we can all be friends again

Nothing would make me happier than to be by your side.

[CookinFlat6]

I watch you endlessly bash Button and let you carry on

and finally roth reveals himself ( a bit like the sith lord after 3 episodes of Star wars)



so what are you gonna do? silence me forever by the intellectual and factual force of your post when you magic you are able to show me to be wrong about even 1 thing I say about Button? You dont seem to get it, if you think I go on too much about Button, dont read, dont respond, ignore

If however you think I am being factually wrong, then simply take over, shut me up for good with your superior argument and superior debating skills, embarass me into not critces button. Only a coward would choose to take the route of attacking Lewis instead with factually wrong and easily dismissed psychobable

there are a couple on here along you who dont like it when their team or driver gets expertly slated everytime there is a new event. but like children they retaliate without any facts or argument or logic or reality and think sticking a smily in is enough

[Roth]

I think you're over-estimating how much I care about this place, cookie.

I don't take any of it seriously enough to start endless arguements with people who don't agree with me. Remember, it's you who doesn't agree with me, so have taken it upon yourself to prove me wrong.

It's entertainment, dude, not a c0ck swinging contest.

And if smilies are a slippery slope to not being taken seriously, I'd reconsider using them right after you mock others for doing the same thing.

[CookinFlat6]

yes roth, whatever you say, you are just having a laugh, you dont take it seriously, you dont mind being unable to defend your made up psychobabble, you dont care about credibility, if no one agrees about your 'extracted from bottom' theories about 1 driver, then you dont really care, and now more than ever you will not address the fact you have been found out for 'not quite been a Lewis fan afterall'
oh yeah, and using smileys in the right context is the same as using them randomly

and finally you will flounce off in an indignant manner?

Yup like Wb said a long time ago, the pattern is very familiar and they have come and gone since 2007

you remind me of a fella called operaman, dunno what it is, maybe the flanking manouveres, but then he swore never to return when he did his flouncing off manouvre

[Roth]

yes roth, whatever you say, you are just having a laugh, you dont take it seriously, you dont mind being unable to defend your made up psychobabble, you dont care about credibility, if no one agrees about your 'extracted from bottom' theories about 1 driver, then you dont really care, and now more than ever you will not address the fact you have been found out for 'not quite been a Lewis fan afterall'
oh yeah, and using smileys in the right context is the same as using them randomly

and finally you will flounce off in an indignant manner?

Yup like Wb said a long time ago, the pattern is very familiar and they have come and gone since 2007

you remind me of a fella called operaman, dunno what it is, maybe the flanking manouveres, but then he swore never to return when he did his flouncing off manouvre

Are you doing air quotes on the computer? It's the Lewis fan thing again where you say I'm not really one and I'm supposed to jump in to defend myself. I feel like I've been over this a thousand times. This stopped being about Hamilton a while ago. It's about you proving me wrong now by whatever means necessary. I've put my points across way back in the mist, you decided they weren't good enough, now they're lost under your badgering. Judge me all you want, but if you're going to to try and ruffle me atleast use a different plan of attack from time to time. You're working iniquity to achieve vanity - Bob Marley btw.

Indignant would would mean I was angry. I'm pretty sure my tone hasn't been angry at any point.

Maybe your pattern is similar, so when someone comes along who rubs you up the wrong way, you and WB go gangbusters with them. I don't know. It's great you're the self appointed defenders of the faith but it doesn't impress me. I notice it's just you and me now. WB tries to chime in now and again but it's half hearted. I could arrogantly assume that's everyone running from me with their tails between their legs, or I could just assume they've gone and found something better to do.

[CookinFlat6]

Roth, it's transparent crap that like I've mentioned, we've seen countless times before. You're just sugar coating it. Mental stress come in when your team gives you four mechanical catastrophes that take points away or leave you with a DNF, how would Rosberg's mental capacity be be holding up if he'd had those? Where as the only DNF he's suffered caused him to turn a 29 point lead into a four pout lead?

It's psychobabble and again, I've yet seen you apply it to anyone else on the grid except the guy you claim to "support". Jesus.

I know. Imagine if I'd written about another driver in such a highly incendiary way such as this.

GB "Not a track Nico or Hamilton's been particularly successful on. Neither has the advantage. Here's hoping Hamilton doesn't shoot himself in the foot yet again. It's becoming the defining trait of the season so far."

Germany "Hamilton drove well today but not great. Coming through the field he looked a bit too eager to overtake, rather than let his natural skill and car's advantage do the work. He reminded me of Vettel coming from the back, a bit ragged and desparate at times which isn't what you would expect".

I think I was on crack when I posted these.

Just to clarify for those arriving late, these are my two remarks from the last two GP threads that started what I like to call a s**tstorm.

naughty naughty Roth

you know where it started, this is what WB is referring to and what I was reffering to when I mentioned integrity

It feels now that the extra speed Hamilton has is no longer an advantage because he finds a way of negating it. I'm starting to feel we've seen this before in Hamilton, this psychological weakness we pretend is misfortune.

It's gutting, I get that. But I realise Hamilton has a psychological weakeness that Nico's exploiting by proxy, and it's pointless denying it.

you could claim a bad memory

[sagi58]

... I could just assume they've gone and found something better to do.

That would be guess... After all, there is a Life out there, when we all log off, eh?

[racechick]

Best driver! best fans! We stick together whatever!

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[Hammer278]

Paddy Lowe: "I am absolutely gutted that we have let Lewis down again and given him such a tough job on another Sunday afternoon - so soon after his fantastic drive in Germany. We are still stripping the car to understand the cause of the fuel leak but the symptom was a loss of high pressure fuel to the direct injection system of the internal combustion engine. This fuel leak then caused a major conflagration which is likely to have written off most of the car. We will obviously be doing our very best to give Lewis the car and the strategy necessary to make the best possible recovery in the race tomorrow.

"On the other side of the garage, the rain in Q3 brought a stressful twist to the session in its closing minutes. Nico was under a lot of pressure from the changing conditions and some very competitive laps from Red Bull and Williams. But he delivered a fantastic lap time in the end to take another pole position, so well done to him. Overall, however, a huge apology to Lewis and his fans for our failure today."


Paddy sounded quite sincere in his interview. Meanwhile, Toto...

Toto Wolff: "Let us start with the positive note of this afternoon and congratulate Nico for a very controlled pole position. In the final runs, it was all about finding the right balance between risk and reward. He used the first run to understand the track conditions, then on his second run set three purple sectors for a very strong pole position. It was a classy job. On the other side of the garage, I was devastated for Lewis.

"The team has been working so hard to deliver the best possible car for both drivers so it is upsetting to see him suffer another problem in qualifying. A Mercedes in flames is not what we want to show the world - but just as importantly, it's not the standard we set for ourselves in the team. I apologise to Lewis and to all his supporters for this problem which has given him another mountain to climb tomorrow. But we know that if anybody can do it, Lewis can. We will be burning the midnight oil to give him the best possible car and strategy for the race.

Just do it far from Lewis' car please.

[racechick]

I'm still feeling like s*** over this. Keep trying to cheer myself up. Lewis sounds like he's trying to do the same.