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[phren]

I don't think everything F1 is today is completely attributable to Bernie or Max. For instance:

1. The advertising: as much as I hate it, it's everywhere! no mater where you look, be it in sports or most other events and even just walking around, you're bound to get flooded by annoying ads.

2. F1 being the pinnacle for Motorsports: well, even though old school F1 was mostly down to Engine, Materials develpment etc. The past decade has been huge in Aero and Safety. Though we could argue this has damaged the spectacle, I think with some 'adjustments' (some already on the discussion table) the spectacle could become really interesting and fun to watch again; even though drivers today aren't as outspoken as they used to be (I'd say blame the media and the pressure these guys are subject to). Anyway, in the end, its the engineers, the drivers and the teams who put F1 in the top. Bernie has done a nice job of globalizing F1 though... I'd say F1 has the widest range and (potential) audience ever.

3. The Teams / Drivers feud... well this is the result of competition. It would be great if all the teams / drivers had these sort of fights. As long as they keep the politics (and the nazi orgies) away from the racing... things should be ok

I find it difficult to accept that Ecclestones "Globalisation" of F1 is a benifit. Globalisation is characterised by standardisation and beurocracy, niether of which, in my opinion, have benifited the sport. When it was possible for teams to design and build to differing specifications, and with only themselves mostly to answer to we had a Formula. Teams lived or died by the engine configeration and displacement they favoured and the chassis they shoe horned it in to. They ran what they believed in, not what was dictated to them by the media moguls and the "iron cage of beurocracy". Bernie and FIA have designed a MACF1, somewhat tastless and the same where ever you go. But somehow just sweet enough to keep us coming back. Its a Starbucks kind of racing.

[Mikep99]

I find it difficult to accept that Ecclestones "Globalisation" of F1 is a benifit. Globalisation is characterised by standardisation and beurocracy, niether of which, in my opinion, have benifited the sport. When it was possible for teams to design and build to differing specifications, and with only themselves mostly to answer to we had a Formula. Teams lived or died by the engine configeration and displacement they favoured and the chassis they shoe horned it in to. They ran what they believed in, not what was dictated to them by the media moguls and the "iron cage of beurocracy". Bernie and FIA have designed a MACF1, somewhat tastless and the same where ever you go. But somehow just sweet enough to keep us coming back. Its a Starbucks kind of racing.

I agree with that

[6thsecondfaster]

I find it difficult to accept that Ecclestones "Globalisation" of F1 is a benifit. Globalisation is characterised by standardisation and beurocracy, niether of which, in my opinion, have benifited the sport. When it was possible for teams to design and build to differing specifications, and with only themselves mostly to answer to we had a Formula. Teams lived or died by the engine configeration and displacement they favoured and the chassis they shoe horned it in to. They ran what they believed in, not what was dictated to them by the media moguls and the "iron cage of beurocracy". Bernie and FIA have designed a MACF1, somewhat tastless and the same where ever you go. But somehow just sweet enough to keep us coming back. Its a Starbucks kind of racing.

I am no fan of Bernie but since I am a follower of drivers rather than teams, it is frustrating to see a good driver in a bad car. So I am glad that there is only one tyre supplier, and the ECU and other standardisation. I am sure that there is still engineering development going on given present specifications. They probably live or die by other things such as aerodynamics, safety, weight, etc. But I am no engineer so .....

And isn't nice to see races in other countries besides Europe? I am baffled by what you mean "the same where ever you go". F1 has always been global. F1 is not the same thing as a clothing chain such as GAP where the exact same shirt can be bought in Paris or Sydney. Or McDonalds, or Starbucks, or Apple Mac. This type of gloablisation may be characterised by standardisation and bureaucracy, but people in Japan have been involved in F1 even before they could listen to their ipod at starbucks wearing gap. Bernie, being his usual, is taking advantage of that by having more races in Asia. So in what way has F1 become tasteless racing?

[8-ball]

Bernie has done great work for the sport of F1 turning it into a global brand. However his endless pursuit of money is starting to hinder rather than help the sport. Moseley has also done good for the sport but that is far outweighed by everything he has done to screw people he didn't like over the years.

Globalization of F1 is a good thing as it leads to efficiency and gives a chance for developing nations to enjoy the sport. However this has all been forgotten by bernie because he is interested in money. He will take the sport where the money is and i can see a time that most of the Grand prix's will be held in the middle and far east where governments are more than willing to spend millions to host races. Teams should be allowed to do mostly whatever they want to thier car but within set limits. Without those limits teams would go crazy

[Denthúl]

I find it difficult to accept that Ecclestones "Globalisation" of F1 is a benifit. Globalisation is characterised by standardisation and beurocracy, niether of which, in my opinion, have benifited the sport. When it was possible for teams to design and build to differing specifications, and with only themselves mostly to answer to we had a Formula. Teams lived or died by the engine configeration and displacement they favoured and the chassis they shoe horned it in to. They ran what they believed in, not what was dictated to them by the media moguls and the "iron cage of beurocracy". Bernie and FIA have designed a MACF1, somewhat tastless and the same where ever you go. But somehow just sweet enough to keep us coming back. Its a Starbucks kind of racing.

I am no fan of Bernie but since I am a follower of drivers rather than teams, it is frustrating to see a good driver in a bad car. So I am glad that there is only one tyre supplier, and the ECU and other standardisation. I am sure that there is still engineering development going on given present specifications. They probably live or die by other things such as aerodynamics, safety, weight, etc. But I am no engineer so .....

And isn't nice to see races in other countries besides Europe? I am baffled by what you mean "the same where ever you go". F1 has always been global. F1 is not the same thing as a clothing chain such as GAP where the exact same shirt can be bought in Paris or Sydney. Or McDonalds, or Starbucks, or Apple Mac. This type of gloablisation may be characterised by standardisation and bureaucracy, but people in Japan have been involved in F1 even before they could listen to their ipod at starbucks wearing gap. Bernie, being his usual, is taking advantage of that by having more races in Asia. So in what way has F1 become tasteless racing?

Actually, having only one tyre supplier is sometimes quite harmful to someone in a bad car, because when there were two tyre suppliers bad cars could have good races because all of the cars on the other tyre type would have a bad day. Tyre wars also make things interesting.

I'm not sure I would say F1 is tasteless myself, but there are a lot of boring parts to it. Seeing so many Tilke tracks, for example, and having a lot of development freezes. Sure, they have good intentions, but there are downsides. There's no point in making the sport too environmentally and economically friendly if nobody will want to watch it.

[Lem]

Ecclestone has almost destroyed the SPORT of F1 in his pursuit of the $, well supportd by Mosely and the top brass of FIA. Its almost WWWF1 at the moment

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Either way, there'd be DESTRUCTION.

[EwanM]

Ecclestone has almost destroyed the SPORT of F1 in his pursuit of the $, well supportd by Mosely and the top brass of FIA. Its almost WWWF1 at the moment

Vs



Either way, there'd be DESTRUCTION.

Yeah this is where I think we miss JPM, he would have been great in WWWF1, he'd be like the rock.
Kimi be like Kane

[EwanM]

lol I tell you something I don't hate tho, the Travelling Wilburys.

Get the likes of Massa and co doing the Wilbury Twist, that would make the sport more entertaining.

[Lem]

There is actually a wrestler that reminds me a bit of Nico Rosberg but I don't know his name. I don't watch it very often so I don't really know if he's a big name or anything but he's pretty small and doesn't look like he's just mullered some steroids so I doubt it! He's in a tag team I think.