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[What's Burning?]

Another Radio GaGa segment over on ESPN1. This one was pretty funny though.

"Ok Sebastian, let Daniel go through, please, Daniel is quicker."

Sebastian Vettel's race engineer Guillaume Rocquelin immediately gets on the radio to break the bad news to Ricciardo's team-mate, and issues a soundbite we imagine is currently the most played on Mark Webber's iPod.

[Hammer278]

Why do you even bother? If someone won't answer or refuses to discuss, it's as simple as a lack of knowledge
The politeness or common decency required to acknowledge a direct answer can't be enforced on a forum although you would expect some to set an example

Thought of giving the guy 1 more chance to prove his point but I guess I got my answer now.

[racechick]

Ferrari's problem is they need to do the talking on the track!
Do you honestly think that if Ferrari were in Mercs position they would be so vocal? Ferrari are never the ones to put the sport ahead of their own agenda, no way they would be complaining with a big advantage.
They are just being sore losers no matter which way you like to spin it!

Let's look at the flip side, for a moment, shall we?? Why isn't Mercedes complaining??
Oh, wait... that's because they are leading with a big advantage. Why didn't Red Bull
complain these last few years? Oh, that's because they were leading! Hold on!! They
did complain... about the tires and guess what?? The tires were changed to suit them!

Let's not always be quick on the anti-Ferrari joy ride, because in the end the only thing
worse than a sore loser is a sore winner.

Why aren't Mercedes complaining? Because they got on and did their job within the rules provided.

As has been pointed out several times. The tyres caused a safety issue. They were not fit for purpose, the engines are...... if you've made them properly.

I have no problem with Luca voicing his opinion, that's his right. But I take issue with him trying to sneak around and get the rules changed in Ferrari's favour.

[What's Burning?]

The saddest thing for Ferrari is that their engine has more power than the Red Bull cars yet they've found a way to get on the podium. That's the thing with Ferrari it would be easier to take the back end dealing and manipulations if they were able put a good car out there. In 2009 they struggled massively like McLaren with the new regulations and it wasn't until everyone got the DDD that they became more competitive. But that was aero, not always Ferrari's strong point.

But this, this is a power unit, this is suspension, and set up and balance and driveability all of the things that Ferrari is supposed to be good at. Ferrari's complain about the power unit is in part to hide the fact that everything else with the car is also lacking, so they point the finger at the most visible thing, PU regulations that they failed to meet in a competitive fashion, just like Renault.

Ironically it was Renault that instigated the whole move to the new PUs.

[Hammer278]

Exactly, a team which hardly even did any miles during testing kicked Ferrari's bottom in Bahrain using Renault engines. Sorry, the PU excuse is bullsh!t and the complaints about sound and what not is just making a mountain out of a molehill. Domenicalli had the guts to say the truth - the car needs to be improved in all areas. Unfortunately that other guy just can't face facts as usual.

[Hammer278]

Hey look, there's a picture which captured the moment when my heart bounced into my mouth:

[LewEngBridewell]

Hey look, there's a picture which captured the moment when my heart bounced into my mouth:

Amazing pictures

[bud]

Racing... Pure racing! Love it!

[What's Burning?]

I saw the race again, I watched the entirety of it only fast forwarded through the commercials. I have to say that not for one second did Rosberg lay down and accept defeat. Even on the podium, you could see him straining, knowing that it was right there that he almost had it and he couldn't quite reach it. But he'll be back to win in China!

On the other side, even as Hamilton was being congratulated via the radio, all he's thinking about was that Rosberg's side of the garage had the pace in Bahrain, and that they needed to work on that.

We're in a for a long drawn out battle this season!

[CookinFlat6]

Why do you even bother? If someone won't answer or refuses to discuss, it's as simple as a lack of knowledge
The politeness or common decency required to acknowledge a direct answer can't be enforced on a forum although you would expect some to set an example

Thought of giving the guy 1 more chance to prove his point but I guess I got my answer now.

The clue was in winter testing, when from some fans we politely put up with talk of Ferrari super cooling, and telemetry super sandbagging, and force fed other nonsense. We politely listened and even entertained these fancies despite all the evidence out in front us that we were 100% correct with every point.
Just goes to show that lots of hot air is different to understanding or knowledge. It's just embarrassing when it continues to be peddled along the lines of 'I'm not listening so I'm right'

Helps to create that great forum environment.

[killem2]

No team has ever put the sport ahead of their own agenda.

Are we speaking strictly F1 now or all sports?

[1Lemon]

No team has ever put the sport ahead of their own agenda.

Are we speaking strictly F1 now or all sports?

Most other sports have an element of self saving; they sometimes do stuff that is in the best interest of the sport to push it forward and keep it relevant. F1 teams are notorious for not doing this ever.

[spankyham]

As has been pointed out several times. The tyres caused a safety issue. They were not fit for purpose, the engines are...... if you've made them properly.

I have no problem with Luca voicing his opinion, that's his right. But I take issue with him trying to sneak around and get the rules changed in Ferrari's favour.

Mercedes didn't complain about the tires last year .....

Oh come on!!

Mercedes began complaining bitterly about the tires from the get-go. Here is one and here is yet another source as examples of the sort of very loud and very public complaining/campaign that Mercedes began from the start of the season. Long before the safety excuse came up. Pirelli was adamant that the tires were safe and multiple teams did not buy the need to change the tires. In the end, it was a mid-season rule change without unanimous agreement that Mercedes began lobbying for from the start of the season.

"Within the pitlane, the bulk of the 'pressure' put on Pirelli came from Red Bull and Mercedes."

[bud]

Thats what FOTA was for, and why did Ferrari and Redbull disband? Mercedes, McLaren Williams were all for putting the sport first, at their own expense at times.

[Hammer278]

Why do you even bother? If someone won't answer or refuses to discuss, it's as simple as a lack of knowledge
The politeness or common decency required to acknowledge a direct answer can't be enforced on a forum although you would expect some to set an example

Thought of giving the guy 1 more chance to prove his point but I guess I got my answer now.

The clue was in winter testing, when from some fans we politely put up with talk of Ferrari super cooling, and telemetry super sandbagging, and force fed other nonsense. We politely listened and even entertained these fancies despite all the evidence out in front us that we were 100% correct with every point.
Just goes to show that lots of hot air is different to understanding or knowledge. It's just embarrassing when it continues to be peddled along the lines of 'I'm not listening so I'm right'

Helps to create that great forum environment.

Maybe the intense supercooling of the engine is so good that its making it perform at less than 100%, you never know. Plus the "Im not listening Im not listening Im not listening" 9 year olds behaviour is keeping in line with the mantra of one of the teams out there "We're always right we're always right we're always right" so no surprise. (No names mentioned, this is just a general comment).