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Ferrari's rule tweaks 'completely unrealistic' - Mercedes

Mercedes executive director (technical) Paddy Lowe says Ferrari's suggestions to tweak Formula One's regulations were ill-conceived.

Ahead of this weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix, Ferrari went on the offensive to try to limit the emphasis on fuel saving under this year's new regulations. Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo said limiting the cars to 100kg for a race distance was creating a "taxi driver" formula in which the drivers are not able to race flat out and could damage the image of F1.

Suggestions from Ferrari included increasing the amount of fuel to 110kg or shortening the length of the race while keeping the limit at 100kg. Jean Todt has resisted the calls for change and Lowe was quick to back up the FIA president's decision.

"I think Jean has taken a very sensible line," he said. "There has been things talked about in recent weeks and days that are completely unrealistic. The first suggestion was to have 110kg of fuel and then they realised that you couldn't fit 110kg in these cars. Oh dear!

"Then it was about making the races shorter, but can you imagine selling that concept to the public? It would be like saying we've decided that the guys running marathons aren't fit enough these days so they will run 25 miles and not 26. The messaging around that … you can't really contemplate it. I hope all of that can be put behind us."

The Bahrain Grand Prix is one of the most extreme in terms of fuel consumption, but Lowe said Mercedes' race strategy for Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg had not differed hugely from previous years when running the V8s.

"The degree of fuel saving we had to run in the race - despite the fact that these guys were racing from beginning to end - was a completely normal level of fuel saving. Last year we had a strategy that involved a certain amount of fuel saving in the race because that's optimal, and what we ran today was pretty much the same.

"I don't know how it is for others, but if they are not finding [the same outcomes] that means that they have got a less efficient package and this formula is about efficiency. That's the objective."

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BAM!! Way to make the whiners look even more stupid, Lowe. :thumbup:
#398274
That point was discussed by Sky Sports and the conclusion was that Ferrari have too much vested in their PU. I am not sure Montezemolos behaviour over last years tyre test or his latest outbursts will help their case with Merc.

But who knows, stranger things have happened in F1
#398277
Would Ferrari consider a Mercedes engine? At least for the remainder of this year until they sort theirs out? :twisted:


That would be a PR disaster. And as much as im a Ferrari fan and hate seeing Alonso and Kimi struggle to even make the points Luca needs to spend less time moaning and more time sorting out the problems. The same applies to Red Bull - quit moaning and prove you are the best by catching up with Mercedes. I was furious when the rules were changed for Red Bull last season and will be similarly annoyed should the same happen this season, even if Ferrari benefit!
#398278
Would Ferrari consider a Mercedes engine? At least for the remainder of this year until they sort theirs out? :twisted:


Sarcasm. Haha


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#398279
To all those who missed me and welcomed me, thank you. I'm very flattered. :-). Btw I have not been around for long time. What is Red Club? I assume a club for tifosi. I accept my welcome invitation in that case. :-).


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Even those that couldnt miss you as they were not here welcome you AKR. Its always welcome to have knowledgeable Ferrari supporters on board :thumbup:

While we are at it I would like to add another example of Montezemolo shooting the team in the foot by off track politics gone awry. And this one is fairly controversial

Maybe installing Todt as FIA head is now working against Ferrari? Maybe Todt is going out of his way to be fair and lawful and in doing so will be a little less enthusiastic about caving in on Ferraris demands?

Montezemolo had travelled to Bahrain to meet with Bernie Ecclestone and with FIA president Jean Todt to discuss changes he would like to make to the rules, to improve the show.

But Todt was adamant that, apart from working on raising the decibel level of the sound, there would be no changes.

This is not a banana republic, where someone turns up and says, ‘Let’s change.’ IF you want changes, it has to be done through the regulatory framework,” he said after the meeting.
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Todt isn't working against ferrari. He is just neutral. I guess if you meant that ferrari were hoping that todt would help ferrari but he isn't, then in that sense Montezemolo's plan is working against him. Todt is just trying to better the sport for making things fair for all.


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#398280
Scuderia Ferrari-Mercedes. I would wet myself.

Italian - German combined cars are probably the best. Ie best designed cars, Italian, and best engineered cars, German.

The Pagani Zonda is a good example of this. Italian car with Mercedes power.

Although I don't think ferrari would ever go down this path. Ferrari is too proud and unique for that.


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#398281
Whoa, AKR, where did you come from?! :o

Scuderia Ferrari-Mercedes. I would wet myself.

Italian - German combined cars are probably the best. Ie best designed cars, Italian, and best engineered cars, German.

The Pagani Zonda is a good example of this. Italian car with Mercedes power.

Although I don't think ferrari would ever go down this path. Ferrari is too proud and unique for that.


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Oh, of course, I think they'd rather quit than use another engine. It was just an amusing though, along the lines of BMW Sauber-Ferrari a few years ago. Such a silly situation with the name.
#398282
Would Ferrari consider a Mercedes engine? At least for the remainder of this year until they sort theirs out? :twisted:


That would be a PR disaster. And as much as im a Ferrari fan and hate seeing Alonso and Kimi struggle to even make the points Luca needs to spend less time moaning and more time sorting out the problems. The same applies to Red Bull - quit moaning and prove you are the best by catching up with Mercedes. I was furious when the rules were changed for Red Bull last season and will be similarly annoyed should the same happen this season, even if Ferrari benefit!


If ferrari benefit you won't be annoyed. Trust me. ;-)

It isn't right, the rules shouldn't just be changed. It's not fair on those who did the better job for those rules. However if suddenly your team benefits to a change and starts winning, you can pretend to be annoyed, but inside you'll have some satisfaction. It goes for all sports, not just F1.


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#398284
Scuderia Ferrari-Mercedes. I would wet myself.

Italian - German combined cars are probably the best. Ie best designed cars, Italian, and best engineered cars, German.

The Pagani Zonda is a good example of this. Italian car with Mercedes power.

Although I don't think ferrari would ever go down this path. Ferrari is too proud and unique for that.


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No, British-German or German-German are the best. McLaren F1, McLaren P1, Bugatti Veyron, and luxury-sports road cars by Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen (though I'm not a fan) are the best selling globally. :thumbup:
#398287
Scuderia Ferrari-Mercedes. I would wet myself.

Italian - German combined cars are probably the best. Ie best designed cars, Italian, and best engineered cars, German.

The Pagani Zonda is a good example of this. Italian car with Mercedes power.

Although I don't think ferrari would ever go down this path. Ferrari is too proud and unique for that.


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No, British-German or German-German are the best. McLaren F1, McLaren P1, Bugatti Veyron, and luxury-sports road cars by Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen (though I'm not a fan) are the best selling globally. :thumbup:


Bugatti Veyron is not German. Don't say Volkswagen own them and that makes them German. Because that would mean that Lamborghini would be German too, yeah right and most British cars not British because none are British owned.

Bugatti is a French company. Founded by Ettore Bugatti an Italian who migrated to France. Company was registered in France so Bugatti cars despite its creator being Italian are French. The exception are the EB110 and EB112 of the 90s which are Italian as the company was bought by some Italians who registered the company as S.p.a which is an it Italian registered company. When VW bought Bugatti, the division of Bugatti was registered as a French company with the cases being made in France. Bugatti is French period.

Lastly itslian cars look the best. No one beats designers of bertone, italdesign, giugiaro, pininfarina, ghia just to name a few. Some of their concept cars from the 60s still look better than modern day British and German cars.


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#398291
Bugatti Veyron is not German. Don't say Volkswagen own them and that makes them German. Because that would mean that Lamborghini would be German too, yeah right and most British cars not British because none are British owned.

Bugatti is a French company. Founded by Ettore Bugatti an Italian who migrated to France. Company was registered in France so Bugatti cars despite its creator being Italian are French. The exception are the EB110 and EB112 of the 90s which are Italian as the company was bought by some Italians who registered the company as S.p.a which is an it Italian registered company. When VW bought Bugatti, the division of Bugatti was registered as a French company with the cases being made in France. Bugatti is French period.

Lastly itslian cars look the best. No one beats designers of bertone, italdesign, giugiaro, pininfarina, ghia just to name a few. Some of their concept cars from the 60s still look better than modern day British and German cars.


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The Veyron is powered by a V16 Volkswagen engine. Not to mention the company which produced this car worked with Volkswagen special division group in the R&D and design specs of the car in order to build a car compatible with power train. So the Bugatti even if built in France, has a lot of German DNA in it. Doesn't matter who actually assembled the parts.

Okay, the part about looks is subjective to the beholder. I appreciate cars which are built to last and lead the way in terms of technology and performance. The cars I listed above have been leading the market in these areas hands down. But Italian cars are very beautiful in their own way, just not my type. :wink:
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