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[Hammer278]

Button's a great driver, let's watch him outclass the new and ignorant teammate he's got this year.

[Jabberwocky]

So it was a failing of whitmarsh engineers to provide Button with what he needed to do his job then

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[CookinFlat6]

I don't see how he would compare Button to one of the greatest
drivers of all time, if he didn't actually believe what he's saying.

Meaning Jenson went to McLaren and quickly had the engineers following him and his direction, because... well because he's such a likeable guy. The only wrinkle is they followed him to their worst season in 33 year. I'm confident both Jenson and McLaren will do better this year.

I'm still firmly in the belief that the bad season was MW's fault and not button as people like to try and make out.

I'd agree with that to a certain extent. Martin was the boss, the buck should stop with him, and things awry underneath him are due to his inability to manage people and situations. But do you not think button bears some responsibility for leading the team in the wrong direction and for exploiting the TP's failings?

Its not Buttons fault for being allowed to take on a role and responsibility that turned out much bigger than he was ready for. He has skills at getting along in a team where there is little pressure and everyone gets on and its a very forgiving environment, all happy campers and team building exercises. But at teams like Ferrari and McLaren there is much more required from the team leader especially when on track direction is required.
It was said that Ferrari were eager for Buttons services and maybe he could have been more effective as a leader there, although I would say Alonso maybe slightly edges it in that sense, like we have seen in the last few years when he always provided a hope of results no matter how bad the car was and would have been very demanding behind the scenes instead of becoming part of the despair.

So Ferrari might have been a perfect fit for Buttons skills as team leader, however at McLaren with its clinical crystal clear focus and attention on detail and ruthless determination, maybe Buttons leadership did not fit with the corporate style that had done well over decades. Its hard to say any drivers style of leadership works for every team and maybe if McLaren had a different ethos Buttons leadership would not have ended in the worst season for 33 years. Maybe his leadership works better at the types of team he was at before McLaren where he had a lot of time and space to drag them to the front of the grid.

[What's Burning?]

Whatever is was, it resulted in McLaren's worst performance in 33 year. It's clear they're taking steps to correct that, I'm thinking Ron is not done and his plans go beyond the 2014 season.

[IheartKimmi]

I don't think last season's MacLaren was a great car but I do agree that Jenson didn't really drive like he meant it I was so so about Perez and still remain so so. I think our Jens should do his best this year, mentor Mag and then slip off into the sunset with his lovely woman and a trouser full of cash

Do you ever think that having a really crappy TP has an impact on morale, therefore performance?

Anyway, I still like Jenson and I hope he retires after this season then I wont have to read the Lewis Lovers rants.

GO JENSON!!

[CookinFlat6]

I don't think last season's MacLaren was a great car but I do agree that Jenson didn't really drive like he meant it I was so so about Perez and still remain so so. I think our Jens should do his best this year, mentor Mag and then slip off into the sunset with his lovely woman and a trouser full of cash

Do you ever think that having a really crappy TP has an impact on morale, therefore performance?

Anyway, I still like Jenson and I hope he retires after this season then I wont have to read the Lewis Lovers rants.

GO JENSON!!

Show me where I have made 'attacks' on Lewis, show me where I have said anything really bad about any F1 Driver.

Show me where I have said anything bad about a team Boss, show me

I enjoy F1, I am not a brat that gets upset when my man doesn't win. Show me where I have failed to be sporting, show me

[spankyham]

I don't think last season's MacLaren was a great car but I do agree that Jenson didn't really drive like he meant it I was so so about Perez and still remain so so. I think our Jens should do his best this year, mentor Mag and then slip off into the sunset with his lovely woman and a trouser full of cash

Do you ever think that having a really crappy TP has an impact on morale, therefore performance?

Anyway, I still like Jenson and I hope he retires after this season then I wont have to read the Lewis Lovers rants.

GO JENSON!!

Show me where I have made 'attacks' on Lewis, show me where I have said anything really bad about any F1 Driver.

Show me where I have said anything bad about a team Boss, show me

I enjoy F1, I am not a brat that gets upset when my man doesn't win. Show me where I have failed to be sporting, show me

Technically he's an Ex-TP now

[CookinFlat6]

practically he was never actually a TP

[IheartKimmi]

Until that point in time I had not actually said anything bad about any Team Principle so the really bold emphasis was lost. Try again dear, or better yet just unclench.
This could be funny but I find it kinda sad. Cookin, you don't have to hate so much. Here
Even when I say nice things about Lewis in the Lewis Support thread, Cookin finds me in the Jenson support thread and still manages to get on my case.
I think Cookin secretly loves me

Anyway, sorry for the expected disruption in any thread that is not to "HIS" choice.

I still like Jens!!

[CookinFlat6]

I think Cookin secretly loves me

approximately as much as a turkey loves christmas

this forum should come with automated restraining orders

[What's Burning?]

Do you ever think that having a really crappy TP has an impact on morale, therefore performance?

I wonder what Lewis Hamilton would say about that.

Double standards indeed.

[Hammer278]

Anyway, I still like Jenson and I hope he retires after this season then I wont have to read the Lewis Lovers rants.

Wow. I'm lost for words for once..."fans" do come in all sorts of shapes and sizes don't they.

Oh yeah, go jenson.

[1Lemon]

Do you ever think that having a really crappy TP has an impact on morale, therefore performance?

Only if it's not at least double-ply

[CookinFlat6]

Do you ever think that having a really crappy TP has an impact on morale, therefore performance?

Only if it's not at least double-ply

I see what you did there

Introduced some toilet humour to the Jenson support thread

[What's Burning?]

When people stay at fancy hotels they steal towels... I go straight for the luxurious toilet paper.