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[LRW]

The thing about education is a good back up. how many failed racing drivers are around with no education in dead end jobs

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Wow!! Seven?? In dead end jobs?? After the money they were making in F1??
((I'm assuming even the smallest contract is worth more than what most of us earn!))

He said """"""""""failed""""""""""", as in """""""""""""never made it""""""""""".

[Hammer278]

The thing about education is a good back up. how many failed racing drivers are around with no education in dead end jobs

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Wow!! Seven?? In dead end jobs?? After the money they were making in F1??
((I'm assuming even the smallest contract is worth more than what most of us earn!))

He said """"""""""failed""""""""""", as in """""""""""""never made it""""""""""".

I see what you did there.

[sagi58]

The thing about education is a good back up. how many failed racing drivers are around with no education in dead end jobs

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Wow!! Seven?? In dead end jobs?? After the money they were making in F1??
((I'm assuming even the smallest contract is worth more than what most of us earn!))

I actually meant how many people start in karts and never make it to pro level.

Ooops... I took that to mean "failed" as in drove in F1; but, didn't amount to much!

[1Lemon]

Then you aren't a ""government"" employee!!
Mind you, I do get a great pension package and summers off!!
((Time in lieu, don'tcha know!!))

A great pension that you don't have to pay for! I feel so much apathy for all the gov workers who strike because their overly generous pension has been slightly lowered, and their pay rises frozen for another 2 months (A pension which is FAR greater than anyone else gets, that you don't need to pay into and ignoring that the rest of the private sector haven't got pay rises in years) but that's how it works in the UK, not sure in Canada. </rant>

[sagi58]

Then you aren't a ""government"" employee!!
Mind you, I do get a great pension package and summers off!!
((Time in lieu, don'tcha know!!))

A great pension that you don't have to pay for! I feel so much apathy for all the gov workers who strike because their overly generous pension has been slightly lowered, and their pay rises frozen for another 2 months (A pension which is FAR greater than anyone else gets, that you don't need to pay into and ignoring that the rest of the private sector haven't got pay rises in years) but that's how it works in the UK, not sure in Canada. </rant>

In Ontario, I have to contribute the EXACT amount the government does, so, yeah... I do pay for part of it!!
I don't have an option, it's mandatory. I also pay premiums for health care, dental and insurance benefits.
I am NOT allowed to strike, because teaching has been deemed and legislated to be an ""essential service""!!

I haven't had a raise, since the last negotiated contract, which was six years ago. I do NOT complain about
that little salient fact, especially in this economic climate!!

Keep in mind, the hours I put in from September to June, far exceed the regular work week that most people
are expected/expect to work. Although I do have the summer "off", it ends up being time in lieu for all the
""overtime"" hours I have worked and not been compensated for.

[LRW]

Then you aren't a ""government"" employee!!
Mind you, I do get a great pension package and summers off!!
((Time in lieu, don'tcha know!!))

A great pension that you don't have to pay for! I feel so much apathy for all the gov workers who strike because their overly generous pension has been slightly lowered, and their pay rises frozen for another 2 months (A pension which is FAR greater than anyone else gets, that you don't need to pay into and ignoring that the rest of the private sector haven't got pay rises in years) but that's how it works in the UK, not sure in Canada. </rant>

In Ontario, I have to contribute the EXACT amount the government does, so, yeah... I do pay for part of it!!
I don't have an option, it's mandatory. I also pay premiums for health care, dental and insurance benefits.
I am NOT allowed to strike, because teaching has been deemed and legislated to be an ""essential service""!!

I haven't had a raise, since the last negotiated contract, which was six years ago. I do NOT complain about
that little salient fact, especially in this economic climate!!

Keep in mind, the hours I put in from September to June, far exceed the regular work week that most people
are expected/expect to work. Although I do have the summer "off", it ends up being time in lieu for all the
""overtime"" hours I have worked and not been compensated for.

Souynds like you need to come teach in the UK then - you are getting screwed.

[1Lemon]

Yeah as I said I'm not sure how it works at Canada but my rant was more UK based. My mum's a teacher and she thinks it's ridiculous how teachers over here strike because of their incredibly generous pension

[sagi58]

Souynds like you need to come teach in the UK then - you are getting screwed.

Uhmmm... not sure if you're being serious?
However, my work would not be the only consideration for that kind of adventure!!

Yeah as I said I'm not sure how it works at Canada but my rant was more UK based. My mum's a teacher and she thinks it's ridiculous how teachers over here strike because of their incredibly generous pension

I'd probably agree with her, to be honest!
The problem, I think, is that people get into teaching for the wrong reasons!!
It shouldn't be ""just"" about the money, the benefits and the summers "off"!!

[Jabberwocky]

I looked at doing the forces to teaching training. 11k for the 1st 2 years soon ended that thought. That would not even cover my rent

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[sagi58]

Would that be part-time wages?

[Jabberwocky]

It was 4 days a week, 5th day was teaching Cert Ed.

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[sagi58]

Goodness!! We "really" do have it good, over here!!
Mind you, the Cost of Living in Hogtown is nuts!!

[racechick]

That's for a period of training though Sagi. It would rise to well over double that on qualifying as a teacher. But It's still not good if the ideas is to get people they want as teachers to retrain.

[sagi58]

It's for training? We have a "teacher's college" that is run by the universities where teacher candidates receive their training.
Basically, there is a theoretical component and a practicum, too. Teacher candidates are not paid during this one-two year period,
rather they are paying tuition fees to the university they attend! And, that's on top of the university degree they need before they
can even apply to the respective Faculty of Education!

[racechick]

It's for training? We have a "teacher's college" that is run by the universities where teacher candidates receive their training.
Basically, there is a theoretical component and a practicum, too. Teacher candidates are not paid during this one-two year period,
rather they are paying tuition fees to the university they attend! And, that's on top of the university degree they need before they
can even apply to the respective Faculty of Education!

In the UK. You do a three year course resulting in a B.Ed , that's if you know you want to teach from the off. People who decide they want to teach later can do a PGCE(post graduate certificate in education) Both can be can be financially crippling. Students have to go into debt or be helped by parents.

In jab's case, it's a special course for someone they would like to convert to a teacher who has previous life experiences.They value the experiences of the person and so pay them while they retrain. But for someone with a family to support its still very difficult.