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[What's Burning?]

And by your reasoning Vettel was born with an F1 silver spoon.

Remind me: Did Red Bull "nurse" him from a tender age?
Did he jump right into a Red Bull? Just asking...

Um, yes and yes. He dipped his hoe in as a test driver for BMW Sauber which at the time had a podium capable car and he had time to actually test as a test driver unlike today's world.

You're the Italiana... What does Toro Rosso mean again?

[darwin dali]

Um, yes and yes. He dipped his hoe in as a test driver

Like this?

[What's Burning?]

Good thing he wasn't using his pick.

[Jabberwocky]

Seb from memory was Sauber/BMW's Friday Driver

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[operaman]

Seb from memory was Sauber/BMW's Friday Driver

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From Wiki .... Seb became BMW's test driver at the Turkish GP in 2006, when Kubica replaced Villeneuve. In 2007 he started as the BMW tester, then subbed for Kubica after Robert's crash in Montreal. He replaced Scott Speed at Toro Rosso later that year.

[sagi58]

The Messiah Lord Hamilton™

You have a trademark on that??

[sagi58]

And by your reasoning Vettel was born with an F1 silver spoon.

Remind me: Did Red Bull "nurse" him from a tender age?
Did he jump right into a Red Bull? Just asking...

Um, yes and yes. He dipped his hoe in as a test driver for BMW Sauber which at the time had a podium capable car and he had time to actually test as a test driver unlike today's world.

Just googled it and it turns out that Vettel started in F1 in August, 2006 with BMW.
Confirmed as their test driver for 2007, until July when he went to Toro Rosso.
That's a whole year with a team that finished 8th in 2006 and 5th in 2007, only to
move to a team that finished 9th, in 2007 and whose "parent" company finished 7th.

Not at all comparable to Hamilton going to McLaren, that finished 2nd the year prior..

You're the Italiana... What does Toro Rosso mean again?

That's obviously a rhetorical question, so I won't bother answering it;
however, for future reference, I am Canadjian born and bred!!

[What's Burning?]

Thank you for acknowledging the achievement of coming into the sport as a rookie and nearly winning a championship, defeating a two time world champion teammate in the process. Could you imagine the pressure?

[darwin dali]

Eh?

[What's Burning?]

Sorry, I meant PRO-cess eh.

[sagi58]

Thank you for acknowledging the achievement of coming into the sport as a rookie and defeating a two time world champion teammate. Could you imagine the pressure?

Is that what you think I did? Let me assure you that wasn't my intention.
You see, I understand that F1 is a team sport! As such, it helps the driver
tremendously to have the entire team behind him!

[sagi58]

Sorry, I meant PRO-cess...

...eh.

One more for good measure!!

[operaman]

Thank you for acknowledging the achievement of coming into the sport as a rookie and nearly winning a championship, defeating a two time world champion teammate in the process. Could you imagine the pressure?

I think that in 2007 Hamilton was under the least pressure he has faced in his career. Of course he faced the kind of pressure all drivers face when they are with a top team, but he was free from the weight of expectation. The real pressure came in 2008, when he had to follow up that tremendous debut. That's why I think as good as 2007 was, his WDC in the following year was even better.

[darwin dali]

Sorry, I meant PRO-cess...

...eh.

One more for good measure!!

What aboat your sudden preference of the whip smiley, eh?

[spankyham]

There is clearly no doubt who starts the year as #1 at Ferrari

But I still believe this won't bother Kimi and I also feel that Kimi is going to be a heck of a lot closer to Nando than most people expect. If (that's a big if) Ferrari can produce a championship winning car it would not surprise me in the least to see Kimi win his 2nd WDC - Nando would still be my favourite to come out on top between the two but I think it will be close.

AFAIC this represents a big change from the Fernando of 6 or 7 years ago. I'm sure this is the influence of the Ferrari system and driver contract.

 wrote:">Alonso says drivers must always obey team orders

Ferrari driver Fernando Alonso says drivers are obliged to follow team orders when they are commanded from the pit gantry.

Alonso was asked by a young journalist if “you have ever received a team order you did not responded to?”

Alonso replied, “No. Normally when the team says something you must obey, because they have all the information and [they] know what’s going on.”

“You can ask them on the radio why you have to do something [which they have requested] to try and understand the order, but you must always obey,” added the Spaniard.



Famously at the 2010 German GP Alonso’s teammate at the time, Felipe Massa, was informed by his engineer, “Fernando is faster than you. Can you confirm you understood that message?”

This was a thinly veiled team order for Massa to allow Alonso to get past, which the Brazilian did much to his consternation.

In 2014 Kimi Raikkonen rejoins Ferrari as teammate to Alonso.