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[Zekenwolf]

Vettel told his race engineer... whaaaa! Raikkonen "didn't give me enough room" when he attempted to pass on the outside of turn four late in the race. There's there Vettel, we'll talk to Charlie about it. Yes, very mature indeed.

I have got the DVDs for GP seasons from 2005 onwards. If you go back and replay the races, you just see just how many drivers have yelled this or that about lack of room to pass or something similar - yes, even Gentleman Jenson. Vettel's exclamation was not much different from Hamilton's "blue flag! blue flag!" in the Chinese Grand Prix as Vettel closed on him.

You only hear and see what you want to see.

But all drivers yell things - justifiably or otherwise - during the heat of the moment during a race. But Hamilton is streets ahead of Vettel and just about everyone else in saying or doing silly things between races.

[What's Burning?]

Vettel told his race engineer... whaaaa! Raikkonen "didn't give me enough room" when he attempted to pass on the outside of turn four late in the race. There's there Vettel, we'll talk to Charlie about it. Yes, very mature indeed.

I have got the DVDs for GP seasons from 2005 onwards. If you go back and replay the races, you just see just how many drivers have yelled this or that about lack of room to pass or something similar - yes, even Gentleman Jenson. Vettel's exclamation was not much different from Hamilton's "blue flag! blue flag!" in the Chinese Grand Prix as Vettel closed on him.

You only hear and see what you want to see.

But all drivers yell things - justifiably or otherwise - during the heat of the moment during a race. But Hamilton is streets ahead of Vettel and just about everyone else in saying or doing silly things between races.

Yes "Lewis" is mature, all right. After winning in Hungary he commented that he could win all the remaining races in the second half of the season. He made a great start in Spa and Monza.

I hope that when you say "you" up there, it's meant as a plural form of human nature, as in "we" only see and hear was we want to see and hear.

[Zekenwolf]

You only hear and see what you want to see.


I hope that when you say "you" up there, it's meant as a plural form of human nature, as in "we" only see and hear was we want to see and hear.

Absolutely completely. I am as human as the next person.

[What's Burning?]

You only hear and see what you want to see.


I hope that when you say "you" up there, it's meant as a plural form of human nature, as in "we" only see and hear was we want to see and hear.

Absolutely completely. I am as human as the next person.

And here I was almost thinking you had super human powers.

[Zekenwolf]

You only hear and see what you want to see.


I hope that when you say "you" up there, it's meant as a plural form of human nature, as in "we" only see and hear was we want to see and hear.

Absolutely completely. I am as human as the next person.

And here I was almost thinking you had super human powers.

I forgot to say that the "next person" was someone called Clark Kent.

[racechick]

I've read a lot of this guys blogs, and they're always a good read. Here has a two part look at the booing of Vettel. I think he gives a well thought out response to the booing and looks at all points of view.well worth a read!!
Part 1
http://thejudge13.com/2013/09/24/f1-fea ... -pandemic/


Part2
http://thejudge13.com/2013/09/28/f1-fea ... c-part-ii/

[What's Burning?]

Reminds me of thread that was active around here a couple of days ago.

[Zekenwolf]

Thanks for those links RC. Actually, I agree with it on principle in that Vettel's current image is a by-product of the Red Bull team's management flaws and that has been said elsewhere. But having expressed their dispproval, it is getting a bit petty by continuing to boo him after every race. Irrespective of the reasoning behind it, after a while it loses any meaning it has and eventually becomes counter-productive - not with just Vettel but with the non-booing neutral F1 supporters in generel - who are the overhwelming majority.

I accept the fact that Vettel is now seen as the 'messenger' for the Red Bull team, which is in fact to his own disdvantage. I think he is smart enough to realise that himself but is presently in a 'no-win' sitation despite winning races. Despite his assertions to the contrary, he almost certainly is affected by the consistent booing that he is getting - for the present. But if it goes on for too long, then a stage will come when he will simply stop caring and insulate himself to the fact. But i don't think it will affect his driving skills - even when he moves out of Red Bull. I know that you, WB and think otherwise, but let us wait until that happens before meaningless conjectures right now.

[1Lemon]

not with just Vettel but with the non-booing neutral F1 supporters in generel - who are the overhwelming majority.

You've hit the nail on the head there, by jove we've cracked it!

There is only one booing fan, the others are booing the booing fan for booing Vettel!!!!

You can't prove me wrong therefore I'm 100% right no questions asked.

[What's Burning?]

Thanks for those links RC. - I know that you, WB and think otherwise, but let us wait until that happens before meaningless conjectures right now.

I've been with my wife for 27 years and after all this time I'm still not certain about half of the things she's going to think. I'm experienced enough to know I'm the simpleton, so I wouldn't question you knowing my thoughts exactly on the topic.

But let me tell you, 27 years of knowing my wife has taught me never dare guess what a woman is going to think. Since you haven't known RC that long, I think it's a bit presumptuous of you to think you've got her all figured out.

[sagi58]

Here's a little food for thought from Gian Carlo Minardi:

staff wrote:">Minardi questions Vettel's Singapore superiority

Almost a week after the Singapore Grand Prix, former team owner Gian Carlo Minardi has admitted to being mystified by certain aspects of Sebastian Vettel's dominance during the race.

"Waiting for the Korean GP, I would like to bring back all the wonderful memories linked to my experience at the Marina Bay Street Circuit and make some remarks about the Singapore GP, which I'd like to share and try to find some answers," writes the Italian.

"I was enthralled by Singapore," he continues. "It was a brand new experience, which was completely different from any other experience I was used to.

"I had the chance to monitor all drivers' on-track deeds from a suite located at the end of the pit straight (which leads to the first chicane). The monitor I used to watch the race displayed also all drivers' lap times. Since I left Singapore however, I've been keeping in my mind the 2.5 sec advantage of Vettel over his teammate Webber and the other drivers.

"It's not my intention to devalue Sebastian Vettel, who always manages his Red Bull the best way and I don't want even to jab at anyone, I just want to tell what I personally saw and heard during that three-day-event.

"According to my experience, I think that a 2.5 sec advantage each lap is really too much. It's like a three-generation development gap, it's a huge gap. Furthermore, the time gap between Vettel and Grosjean in FP3 and the Red Bull driver and Rosberg in qualifying was only few tenths. The German driver could have played cat and mouse on Saturday, anyway, something is still not clear for me.

"From my suite, I chose some mainstays as a reference point in order to monitor and compare the drivers' way of driving. My mainstays were the kerbstones located on the corner which leads to Republic Boulevard. Their function is to avoid passing on the kerb. I was impressed by Vettel's neat way of driving on that stretch of the track. He was able to drive all that stretch without making any corrections, unlike all his rivals (also his teammate). His lap time was also remarkable in T3, which is the track's sector with the highest concentration of corners.

"On the same stretch, Sebastian was able to speed up 50 m before any other driver, Webber included. Whilst all the other drivers speeded up on the same stretch, Vettel was able to speed up before them. The thing that surprised me the most was the engine's output sound. Besides speeding up 50 m before any other driver, the Renault engine of the German's car grinded like no other French engines on track, neither like Mark's. That sound was similar to the sound made by the engine when the traction control system got into action in the past seasons.

"Furthermore, that sound was only heard when Vettel chalked up his excellent performances. For example, after the safety car went off, he took a great re-start and chalked up many excellent laps, gaining a 32 sec. gap over Alonso, then he leveled off, taking precautions in the case he would have had to pit one more time. In those moments the Renault engine was more powerful than any other engines (Renault and other brands).

"There are some aspects, Vettel's very neat way of driving, Vettel's speedup 50 m before the other drivers, the abnormal sound of the Renault engine and Vetter's more than 2 sec. advantage over his rivals that make me think and I would like to have some answers.

"All those doubts are even more serious if we consider that Webber wasn't able to do that, since he's a common human being… I don't want to blame anyone , I just would like to get into the deep of the matter."

[mnmracer]

These things would actually be interesting if they were substantiated. Comparative sound clips? Any footage of the 50 meters? An explanation why an elderly Italian gentleman can hear more than the people paid to do so?

Brazil12/Canada13 all over again.

[What's Burning?]

a lot of discussion over on the Singapore thread about this.

[What's Burning?]

When Vettel says "we" I'm sure he's talking about RBR and himself, not Webber, because whatever it was, he wasn't able to figure it out or he didn't have it in his car. Interesting to read though.

ESPNF1 Sebastian Vettel has laughed off accusations Red Bull is using traction control, saying his rivals will never figure out why his car is as fast as it is this year.

Following his dominance at the Singapore Grand Prix, ex-F1 boss Giancarlo Minardi speculated on his blog that Red Bull was running some form of traction control on the RB9 to allow Vettel to get on the power earlier - an accusation the Red Bull driver was quick to laugh off. All teams use the same ECU, effectively banning traditional forms of traction control, but asked whether the accusations bothered him, Vettel said his rivals would never get to the bottom of the reasons behind Red Bull's success.

"We are pretty proud of the system we have because other people will never figure out how we have done it," he said. "Constantly we try to improve the car, that is part of the homework we try to do.

He added: "We were playing around quite a lot in practice [in Singapore] and the first time it worked was in the race. I'm quite confident because other people will never figure out how we do it."

However, Vettel said there were no guarantees his recent success would transfer to this weekend's race in Korea.

"Rain is forecast on Sunday, and not just a bit or rain, it could be pretty heavy," he said. "But it's the usual game, we will start by trying to set the car up well on Friday in practice. We have seen this year that the package is strong no matter where we go, but you cannot expect the car to be strong at the front again just because you were at the last couple of races."

[racechick]

I enjoyed this little comment. Taken from an article tweeted by @thejudge13
It refers to a comment made by Lewis at the press conference today.

"The drivers’ press conference was rather a non-event. When asked about the lightening pace of Vettel in Singapore, I enjoyed Lewis cheeky grin and deliverate stirring of the pot when he remarked, “the last time I was able to put the pedal down that quickly was in 2007 when we had traction control”.

Clearly, Lewis does read…. the news…"